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June 15, 2005 4:03 AM Subscribe
How one woman went from humping Joe Strummer to loving Jesus. Remember Palmolive? Well, she's back! In zealot form.
Paloma played in The Slits, The Raincoats and a rehearsal band with fellow shitty musician Sid Vicious. Now she plays for Jesus and, naturally, she has a message for you. warning: lots of flash and an intro in tiny script that you might not be able to read. I stopped trying
Paloma played in The Slits, The Raincoats and a rehearsal band with fellow shitty musician Sid Vicious. Now she plays for Jesus and, naturally, she has a message for you. warning: lots of flash and an intro in tiny script that you might not be able to read. I stopped trying
punk without zeal wouldn't be punk. she's always been a zealot. or did you think zealot was a religious slur? you should consider the possibility that you're being a douchebag.
posted by quonsar at 5:37 AM on June 15, 2005
posted by quonsar at 5:37 AM on June 15, 2005
Yeah. That was a charming little interview. I totally couldn't see anything on her page though...
posted by klangklangston at 5:53 AM on June 15, 2005
posted by klangklangston at 5:53 AM on June 15, 2005
What a horrible, horrible way to introduce yourself. Do Christain browsers stop at 640x480 resolution, or am I missing something?
posted by squirrel at 6:05 AM on June 15, 2005
posted by squirrel at 6:05 AM on June 15, 2005
Doesn't sound like a zealot to me -- just a nice gal who's settled down and is enjoying life. Good for her. (At least she didn't become a Hare Krishna like my favorite obscure punkette.)
posted by languagehat at 6:10 AM on June 15, 2005
posted by languagehat at 6:10 AM on June 15, 2005
The site was strange because it was written in the third person, but overall, didn't seem too preachy. I'm also glad she's happy. I could use some happy.
languagehat-I didn't know about Lora Logic and Krishna. I am disappointed.)
posted by OmieWise at 6:17 AM on June 15, 2005
languagehat-I didn't know about Lora Logic and Krishna. I am disappointed.)
posted by OmieWise at 6:17 AM on June 15, 2005
she's always been a zealot. or did you think zealot was a religious slur? you should consider the possibility that you're being a douchebag.
"Slur" is a relative term. Rest assured that if I call you a "zealot" in reference to religion, I consider it a slur.
And if you had read the interview, you'd see that when it came to punk, she was more of a hanger-on than a zealot.
I didn't know about Laura Logic and the Krisnas, either. Huh!
posted by Mayor Curley at 6:37 AM on June 15, 2005
"Slur" is a relative term. Rest assured that if I call you a "zealot" in reference to religion, I consider it a slur.
And if you had read the interview, you'd see that when it came to punk, she was more of a hanger-on than a zealot.
I didn't know about Laura Logic and the Krisnas, either. Huh!
posted by Mayor Curley at 6:37 AM on June 15, 2005
Well,that's depressed the hell out of me for the day. It's always sad when once-colourful people fall prey to silly old superstitions. It's even sadder when they fail to be embarrassed about it.
posted by Decani at 6:51 AM on June 15, 2005
posted by Decani at 6:51 AM on June 15, 2005
(At least she didn't become a Hare Krishna like my favorite obscure punkette.)
Didn't Poly Styrene also go Hare Krishna for a bit?
posted by scratch at 8:08 AM on June 15, 2005
Didn't Poly Styrene also go Hare Krishna for a bit?
posted by scratch at 8:08 AM on June 15, 2005
Palmolive's drumming in "The Punk Rock Movie" (shot by Don Letts) is the coolest drumming I have ever seen. No matter how often I watch that part, my jaw just hangs open.
posted by stinkycheese at 8:24 AM on June 15, 2005
posted by stinkycheese at 8:24 AM on June 15, 2005
How one woman went from humping Joe Strummer to loving Jesus. Remember Palmolive? Well, she's back! In zealot form.
Paloma played in The Slits, The Raincoats and a rehearsal band with fellow shitty musician Sid Vicious. Now she plays for Jesus and, naturally, she has a message for you.
I find the two comments in bold above to be kinda offensive. She played in two very important punk/post-punk bands and yet the first thing that you mention is that she was involved with Joe Strummer. I guess being a famous punk rocker's girlfriend is more important than playing interesting music.
Also, the Slits and the Raincoats may have not been as technically proficient as some other acts, but that's hardly the point of punk rock is it? Shitty musicians indeed.
posted by R590 at 8:58 AM on June 15, 2005
Paloma played in The Slits, The Raincoats and a rehearsal band with fellow shitty musician Sid Vicious. Now she plays for Jesus and, naturally, she has a message for you.
I find the two comments in bold above to be kinda offensive. She played in two very important punk/post-punk bands and yet the first thing that you mention is that she was involved with Joe Strummer. I guess being a famous punk rocker's girlfriend is more important than playing interesting music.
Also, the Slits and the Raincoats may have not been as technically proficient as some other acts, but that's hardly the point of punk rock is it? Shitty musicians indeed.
posted by R590 at 8:58 AM on June 15, 2005
I find the two comments in bold above to be kinda offensive. She played in two very important punk/post-punk bands and yet the first thing that you mention is that she was involved with Joe Strummer.
They were "important" merely for being all-woman novelty acts and "interesting" like a shitty present. She learned to play drums after Ari Up asked her to be in a band, and played live for the first time a week after she first touched them. (Even Paul Simonon had more practice than that, and then had someone talented to mind him.) Have you ever listened to the Slits album? No one would remember them if a man had been singing.
Paloma's largest contribution to punk was suggesting the topic of "Spanish Bombs".
Why bother posting this if he has so little respect for her? To laugh at the tough punk rocker turned poor little Jesus freak?
Yes.
posted by Mayor Curley at 9:54 AM on June 15, 2005
They were "important" merely for being all-woman novelty acts and "interesting" like a shitty present. She learned to play drums after Ari Up asked her to be in a band, and played live for the first time a week after she first touched them. (Even Paul Simonon had more practice than that, and then had someone talented to mind him.) Have you ever listened to the Slits album? No one would remember them if a man had been singing.
Paloma's largest contribution to punk was suggesting the topic of "Spanish Bombs".
Why bother posting this if he has so little respect for her? To laugh at the tough punk rocker turned poor little Jesus freak?
Yes.
posted by Mayor Curley at 9:54 AM on June 15, 2005
I'm with R590 and item. Putting Palmolive, along with the rest of the Slits and the Raincoats, in the same category as a talentless murdering smackhead like Sid Vicious (and doing it in such a dismissive, sexist manner to boot) is a bit off, to say the least.
Maybe he'd be happier over at DailyKos ...
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Mayor Curley, with all due respect, you're now talking out your arse.
They were "important" merely for being all-woman novelty acts and "interesting" like a shitty present. She learned to play drums after Ari Up asked her to be in a band, and played live for the first time a week after she first touched them.
So what? The Slits and The Raincoats both helped prove that punk didn't just need to be a boys' game, no matter what they were told. They proved that you could be a great band, write great songs, be chaotic and messy and sloppy and yet still a thing of wonder and power and energy, which is way more punk than anything the Pistols ever trotted out.
posted by Len at 10:07 AM on June 15, 2005
Maybe he'd be happier over at DailyKos ...
On preview:
Mayor Curley, with all due respect, you're now talking out your arse.
They were "important" merely for being all-woman novelty acts and "interesting" like a shitty present. She learned to play drums after Ari Up asked her to be in a band, and played live for the first time a week after she first touched them.
So what? The Slits and The Raincoats both helped prove that punk didn't just need to be a boys' game, no matter what they were told. They proved that you could be a great band, write great songs, be chaotic and messy and sloppy and yet still a thing of wonder and power and energy, which is way more punk than anything the Pistols ever trotted out.
posted by Len at 10:07 AM on June 15, 2005
Have you ever listened to the Slits album?
Yes, just this morning. New Town, FM, So Tough etc. Fresh as ever.
...and played live for the first time a week after she first touched them.
What we called, in them days, the whole fucking point.
Novelty act? That's just ignorant.
posted by punilux at 10:09 AM on June 15, 2005
Yes, just this morning. New Town, FM, So Tough etc. Fresh as ever.
...and played live for the first time a week after she first touched them.
What we called, in them days, the whole fucking point.
Novelty act? That's just ignorant.
posted by punilux at 10:09 AM on June 15, 2005
She played in two very important punk/post-punk bands and yet the first thing that you mention is that she was involved with Joe Strummer.
He's contrasting her old relationship (humping Joe) with her new relationship (loving Jesus).
And how are punk bands "very important"?
posted by pterodactyler at 10:46 AM on June 15, 2005
He's contrasting her old relationship (humping Joe) with her new relationship (loving Jesus).
And how are punk bands "very important"?
posted by pterodactyler at 10:46 AM on June 15, 2005
You seem to be forgetting (or are too uneducated on the subject to know) a few points, Curley: Palmola didn't play on the first Slits LP.
So I might have liked it if she had?
I like the Clash, but their approach to music was pretty basic & not too original
Oh, yeah. London Calling and Sandinista are totally one-trick pieces of shit. And they're basically note-for-note copies of other people's albums. That "Stack O' Lee" guys shows up way back in Woody Guthrie's lyrics and Paul Simonon must have stolen "Guns of Brixton" from The Police or something-- everyone knows Sting invented the punk/reggae fusion.
posted by Mayor Curley at 11:33 AM on June 15, 2005
So I might have liked it if she had?
I like the Clash, but their approach to music was pretty basic & not too original
Oh, yeah. London Calling and Sandinista are totally one-trick pieces of shit. And they're basically note-for-note copies of other people's albums. That "Stack O' Lee" guys shows up way back in Woody Guthrie's lyrics and Paul Simonon must have stolen "Guns of Brixton" from The Police or something-- everyone knows Sting invented the punk/reggae fusion.
posted by Mayor Curley at 11:33 AM on June 15, 2005
Come now, Curley. If you didn't disapprove of this woman's religion, would we be having this conversation? It seems pretty clear to me that you're just badmouthing her musical career because of her personal life. It's a lot like the Republicans who refused to listen to the Dixie Chicks when they spoke out on the war in Iraq.
posted by unreason at 11:47 AM on June 15, 2005
posted by unreason at 11:47 AM on June 15, 2005
Punk is dead! LONG LIVE THE QUEEN!
posted by loquacious at 12:35 PM on June 15, 2005
posted by loquacious at 12:35 PM on June 15, 2005
Well, I think the her story is kinda neat. Good for her that she found peace after such an exhausting first few decades.
I fail to see how her sleeping with Strummer before he started the Clash is relevant to the rest of her life...since she's been married to her husband for 25+ years and Strummer had nothing to do with her bands.
And the Slits and the Raincoats were both pretty influential bands, like them or don't, they still had a big impact on the punk scene of that and subsequent generations.
posted by dejah420 at 12:36 PM on June 15, 2005
I fail to see how her sleeping with Strummer before he started the Clash is relevant to the rest of her life...since she's been married to her husband for 25+ years and Strummer had nothing to do with her bands.
And the Slits and the Raincoats were both pretty influential bands, like them or don't, they still had a big impact on the punk scene of that and subsequent generations.
posted by dejah420 at 12:36 PM on June 15, 2005
And how are punk bands "very important"?
Well, the fact that just about all popular music after punk was informed by it in some way (even if it was revolting against) makes them important, for starters.
I like the Clash, but their approach to music was pretty basic
The Clash were far less basic then most punk acts, but musically speaking returning to basics was kind of the point, which seems to be coating the wall above your head, sir. And what I've heard by the Raincoats is actually pretty damned good.
posted by jonmc at 2:27 PM on June 15, 2005
Well, the fact that just about all popular music after punk was informed by it in some way (even if it was revolting against) makes them important, for starters.
I like the Clash, but their approach to music was pretty basic
The Clash were far less basic then most punk acts, but musically speaking returning to basics was kind of the point, which seems to be coating the wall above your head, sir. And what I've heard by the Raincoats is actually pretty damned good.
posted by jonmc at 2:27 PM on June 15, 2005
Punks not Dead !
posted by sgt.serenity at 2:40 PM on June 15, 2005
posted by sgt.serenity at 2:40 PM on June 15, 2005
everyone knows Sting invented the punk/reggae fusion.
the police weren't punk ... and they weren't the first band to have west indian or jamaican influences
"baby come back" by the equals is just as close to punk/reggae as the police were ... that was 1968 ... they also were the originators of "police on my back"
posted by pyramid termite at 3:51 PM on June 15, 2005
the police weren't punk ... and they weren't the first band to have west indian or jamaican influences
"baby come back" by the equals is just as close to punk/reggae as the police were ... that was 1968 ... they also were the originators of "police on my back"
posted by pyramid termite at 3:51 PM on June 15, 2005
"baby come back" by the equals is just as close to punk/reggae as the police were ... that was 1968 ... they also were the originators of "police on my back"
Damn straight. Although Eddy Grant (yeah, that Eddy Grant) the Equals lead singer was Guyanese not West Indian, so any reggae influences he picked up as an English expat. But they rocked just the same. And you forgot to mention "I Get So Excited," (one of the best hormonal overload songs ever, he sounds like he's about to literally explode), and "Soul Brother Clifford).
posted by jonmc at 3:56 PM on June 15, 2005
Damn straight. Although Eddy Grant (yeah, that Eddy Grant) the Equals lead singer was Guyanese not West Indian, so any reggae influences he picked up as an English expat. But they rocked just the same. And you forgot to mention "I Get So Excited," (one of the best hormonal overload songs ever, he sounds like he's about to literally explode), and "Soul Brother Clifford).
posted by jonmc at 3:56 PM on June 15, 2005
and they weren't the first band to have west indian or jamaican influences
See, I need to be less subtle. I was insinuating that The Police were pretty much doing "White Man in Hammersmith Palais" every time they recorded a song. But this is the Internet after all. So someone else is going to claim that some band that six people are familiar with were doing "punk reggae" in 1934 and the Clash stole the idea from them.
The Clash wish they were as cool as the Slits.
Yeah, if only Mick Jones could get to Cape Cod to conduct interviews in a chain sandwich shop.
posted by Mayor Curley at 4:48 PM on June 15, 2005
See, I need to be less subtle. I was insinuating that The Police were pretty much doing "White Man in Hammersmith Palais" every time they recorded a song. But this is the Internet after all. So someone else is going to claim that some band that six people are familiar with were doing "punk reggae" in 1934 and the Clash stole the idea from them.
The Clash wish they were as cool as the Slits.
Yeah, if only Mick Jones could get to Cape Cod to conduct interviews in a chain sandwich shop.
posted by Mayor Curley at 4:48 PM on June 15, 2005
In retrospect, I wish I'd snarked in another direction: Topper (the proper analogue to Palmolive) probably does wish he could travel to Cape Cod and have someone buy him a sub.
posted by Mayor Curley at 4:52 PM on June 15, 2005
posted by Mayor Curley at 4:52 PM on June 15, 2005
See, I need to be less subtle.
I don't see how that would be possible. And I hate subtlety.
posted by jonmc at 4:54 PM on June 15, 2005
I don't see how that would be possible. And I hate subtlety.
posted by jonmc at 4:54 PM on June 15, 2005
So, Curley, this was "OMG Punk also ran found JESUS LOLLERZ"? I thought it was a bit of appreciation for a woman who was in two pretty good bands from the birth of punk, but apparently it was so that you could tell us how original Garageland was.
I love the Clash, but let's not make them out to be the only band that mattered, Ok?
posted by klangklangston at 6:15 PM on June 15, 2005
I love the Clash, but let's not make them out to be the only band that mattered, Ok?
posted by klangklangston at 6:15 PM on June 15, 2005
Uh... her 12 year old daughter is named Macarena. That's unfortunate.
posted by arcticwoman at 6:34 PM on June 15, 2005
posted by arcticwoman at 6:34 PM on June 15, 2005
That was a bit misleading - I read the FPP and went, holy shit! But then I read the article and it seemed like, oh, okay. She hardly comes across as a zealot - she just ended up with a traditional life after she left the band. But she still remembers it fondly and her kids listen to kurt cobain, and she even still plays the drums.
Those links say the raincoats only reunited for a tour with nirvana, but I thought I saw them live just a few years ago... Anyone know if I'm just mixing timelines or that's possible? (They definitely weren't opening for nirvana but I suppose it may have been that long ago...)
posted by mdn at 6:56 PM on June 15, 2005
Those links say the raincoats only reunited for a tour with nirvana, but I thought I saw them live just a few years ago... Anyone know if I'm just mixing timelines or that's possible? (They definitely weren't opening for nirvana but I suppose it may have been that long ago...)
posted by mdn at 6:56 PM on June 15, 2005
She hardly comes across as a zealot - she just ended up with a traditional life after she left the band.
Exactly. Punk rockers, just like everybody else, often grow up and have kids, get religion, and all kinds of other things that happen to people as they grow. No reason to write what they say off.
posted by jonmc at 7:33 PM on June 15, 2005
Exactly. Punk rockers, just like everybody else, often grow up and have kids, get religion, and all kinds of other things that happen to people as they grow. No reason to write what they say off.
posted by jonmc at 7:33 PM on June 15, 2005
Or, to put it another way: ending up in a tradtional life is not neccessarily a bad thing, especially if you're someone who's explored the alternatives and decided that's where you feel comfortable.
posted by jonmc at 7:35 PM on June 15, 2005
posted by jonmc at 7:35 PM on June 15, 2005
Or, to put it another way: ending up in a tradtional life is not neccessarily a bad thing, especially if you're someone who's explored the alternatives and decided that's where you feel comfortable.
Well said. (Says the once blue-glue-haired, former punk who seems to have settled into suburbia and motherhood with no obvious ill effects. Other than a disturbing tendency to sing the Damned as lullabyes...)
posted by dejah420 at 8:22 PM on June 15, 2005
Well said. (Says the once blue-glue-haired, former punk who seems to have settled into suburbia and motherhood with no obvious ill effects. Other than a disturbing tendency to sing the Damned as lullabyes...)
posted by dejah420 at 8:22 PM on June 15, 2005
the police weren't punk ... and they weren't the first band to have west indian or jamaican influences
Oh man. I love the sight of obvious sarcasm flying right over someone's head.
posted by Decani at 6:09 AM on June 16, 2005
Oh man. I love the sight of obvious sarcasm flying right over someone's head.
posted by Decani at 6:09 AM on June 16, 2005
if only Joe Strummer could get there, too.
Well that's just uncalled for.
posted by yerfatma at 6:09 AM on June 16, 2005
Well that's just uncalled for.
posted by yerfatma at 6:09 AM on June 16, 2005
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