American Global Domination

July 22, 2005 11:52 AM

This War is About So Much More. Compelling conspiracy for the people.
posted by The Jesse Helms (19 comments total)

He forgot the part where George H. W. Bush and Barbara Bush conceived W as part of their future plans of attacking Iraq.
posted by b_thinky at 12:05 PM on July 22, 2005

Wow. I'm the first one in line to say that I don't care for my President. But this guy is OUT THERE.
posted by the_barbarian at 12:21 PM on July 22, 2005

I was ready to write this off as completely crackpot, but I'm not so sure. I haven't seen anything that wasn't backed up.

What do you see as "OUT THERE"?

Many people have opposed this war because they were aware that the Bush administration was lying when they brought information to the American people, because they questioned the motives of such actions, and because they were concerned for the well being of Americans and Iraqis alike.

I certainly don't see anything wrong with this statement.
posted by ColdChef at 12:31 PM on July 22, 2005

heh - he even self-Godwinized at the end of the summary.
posted by reality at 12:31 PM on July 22, 2005

I mean, there is documented evidence that shows that most of Bush's administration wanted to increase the United States's presence in the middle east. And that the best way to do that was to topple the government of Saddam Hussien. Is it an enourmous leap of logic to think that this has been planned for some time?
posted by ColdChef at 12:33 PM on July 22, 2005

"Go find me a way to do this."
posted by ColdChef at 12:35 PM on July 22, 2005

ColdChef, nope, its not a leap at all. The leap is trying to get people to stop buying into the never ending stream of lies and obfuscation from the White House. People believe Saddam is responsible for 9/11 because of ShrubCo's incessant linking of the two.

Anyone still believing the WMD lies or the 9/11 connection is continuing to empower Bush to continue his policy of lies.
posted by fenriq at 12:47 PM on July 22, 2005

The War is About So Much More - it's doing exactly what the system is designed to do - accumulate and empower "us" against "them." Change the system, but the players are guilty for playing the game, not how they play it.
posted by iamck at 1:21 PM on July 22, 2005

the sweet thing about a conspiracy is that if anyone points it out, you just label them a nut, and it's like no one said anything.

The 2000 (s)election pissed me off; but I knew something was wrong the days after 9/11 when the news channels features a "lead discussion" where the person with the microphone would interrupt any time someone displayed independent thought. She would snatch the mike right out of the person's hands. But the people whose contribution was "we need to stand behind our leaders" or "we need to have faith" were left to talk.

I wish I could show that to people. Forget if it was Fox or CNN.

The national forum is a joke now. Facts mean nothing. Precedent means nothing. Procedure means nothing. All that matters is that you say something, and that people repeat it.
posted by modernerd at 1:32 PM on July 22, 2005

whoah live preview freaks me out...

Anyway, this is actually one of the best condensed and annotated synopses of the true history of the United States I've seen... it's not a perfect document, but it concisely covers a lot of important issues that most Americans are not aware of, and it's quite well documented.
posted by stenseng at 1:35 PM on July 22, 2005

note: "conspiracy" does not mean "not true"
posted by mr.marx at 2:56 PM on July 22, 2005

didn't read it, but Jr's onetime biographer has gone on record with Commander Bunnypants' voicing his desire to be a War President ca 1999.

Bushie's eminences grise, or at least one faction of it, the California republican mafia (centered on George Schultz, who "interviewed" Jr around 1998, and I believe hooked him up with Condie) also was cognizant of the domestic boost kicking some ass in Grenada, and later our little adventure in Panama, gave to Reagan and Bush Pere (Thatcher pioneered this effect with the Falklands deal).
posted by Heywood Mogroot at 3:35 PM on July 22, 2005

Well good lord, yes. This is much, much more terrifying than suicide bombers in London. Of course. This is what should worry us--this is clearly the conspiracy to which we must all turn our eyes and ears. It is ever so much sexier and exciting and, better yet, it involves (mostly) white men, who are the epitome of everything that is wrong and evil and bad, bad, bad.
posted by gsh at 3:56 PM on July 22, 2005

Cognitive dissonance is amazing.
posted by sonofsamiam at 4:30 PM on July 22, 2005

Geez. There's 'conspiracy' and then there's the busting-up of cherished public myths. I think lots of people are much happier not thinking too hard about Iran-Contra, or the banking scandals, or the 'Liberation' of Iraq. It's not like the information isn't out there, but allowing it into the popular imagination would just make USians feel, you know, less exceptional. Personally, I think Humility In The Face Of Our Mistakes might actually save us, but my money is on Big Lies,Less Democracy.
posted by maryh at 4:34 PM on July 22, 2005

maryh is right. It's all happening in plain sight, where there is little distinction between a conspiracy and a plan.
posted by tomharpel at 6:20 PM on July 22, 2005

Nothing strange here, I think a large portion of the American public would agree with these statements, or at least find them believable.
posted by zardoz at 6:37 PM on July 22, 2005

This is much, much more terrifying than suicide bombers in London

Yes, in fact, it is. Especially when the clear connection between the two terms in your comparison is considered. Like most New Yorkers I know, and apparently many others , I don't worry much at all about terrorism. I'm always amazed to meet people from Wyoming and Georgia who are chicken littles about "terra." You want terra? Visit Baghdad.
posted by realcountrymusic at 8:00 AM on July 23, 2005

I'm been doing my own noodling around with these ideas for about three years now, and I've never come across the linked site. Thanks.

Anyhow, my springboard was something called Operation Paperclip, which has appeared on the blue in the past.

I found the links between the Dulles brothers, the CIA, Prescott Bush, Nazi Germany, and the post WWII importation of Nazi scientists (including Werner von Braun) to be fascinating from an almost fictional standpoint. It had all the makings of a Ludlum page turner, but was apparently an actual series of events.

It just so happens that with barely any effort I dug up a lot of little tidbits that led me to the conclusions much more lucidly explained in The Jesse Helms' link. To say the least, I almost completely believe the picture painted by linked article.

This isn't crazy stories about aliens, or the illuminati, or any sort of semi-mystical/supernatural nonsense. It's much more practical and real and obvious. Heck, it isn't even hidden except right under your noses - all you have to do is check the public record.

This "war on terror" is nothing more than a front for the much more pervasive war between the owners of the world's means of production, and the labour. It's essentially the continued assault on the rise of the underclasses - the levelling of playing field.

It is a war directed at ensuring that the richest people in the West, and the richest Americans in particular, remain on top of the pile for as long as possible. (And by richest Americans, I don't mean you, or me, or your neigbours (unless of course you are the wealthiest 1%) This has nothing to do with the maintaining the lifestyle of the middle class. For all they care, the middle class can go fuck itself.)
posted by C.Batt at 11:03 AM on July 23, 2005