Who is 10641?

November 15, 2005 12:16 PM

Who is 10641?
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posted by airguitar (76 comments total)

It's allegorical, I think. Just like Edward Scissorhands.

(First link hosed)
posted by jenovus at 12:20 PM on November 15, 2005

Er, is it Klint?
posted by bonaldi at 12:23 PM on November 15, 2005

Registered with GoDaddy. Nice.
posted by Armitage Shanks at 12:27 PM on November 15, 2005

it's prolly just some viral ad campaign for an upcoming TV sitcom situated in Guantanamo.

Heard it here first, folks!
posted by slater at 12:29 PM on November 15, 2005

Using whois.godaddy.com:

Administrative Contact:
Private, Registration [e-mail]
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
[phone]
Technical Contact:
Private, Registration [e-mail]
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
[phone]


Doesn't tell us anything though.
posted by ursus_comiter at 12:31 PM on November 15, 2005

Who is DomainsByProxy and why do they hate America?
posted by klangklangston at 12:33 PM on November 15, 2005

He's supposed to be Turkish. Some say his father was German.
posted by nyterrant at 12:34 PM on November 15, 2005

The worst word the "torturer" uses is "damn"? slater's comment is seeming likelier every second.
posted by ktoad at 12:35 PM on November 15, 2005

I think when you buy a domain nowadays (I haven't for several years), you have the option of anonymizing it for an extra price. This is probably an example of that and Domainsbyproxy probably forwards on contact to the owners of that domain when requests to speak to them come in.
posted by poppo at 12:37 PM on November 15, 2005

Who is #1?!
posted by xmutex at 12:40 PM on November 15, 2005

DomainsByProxy is a way to keep your whois registry private. I hope 10641.com owner is not counting on godaddy to keep their information private when the feds come knocking.

The video is shocking. Where are the 'graib videos the govt saw, but never got out?
posted by H. Roark at 12:41 PM on November 15, 2005

I think it's great that the interrogator declares him to be only a number. Numbers cannot be guilty of anything.

He looks more like a person to me, but I have no authority.
posted by nervousfritz at 12:41 PM on November 15, 2005

it's prolly just some viral ad campaign for an upcoming TV sitcom situated in Guantanamo.

Or a viral ad campaign for a group such as the ACLU.
posted by phearlez at 12:43 PM on November 15, 2005

The first rule of performing an illegal interrogation is to leave a security camera running while performing the act.
posted by milnak at 12:43 PM on November 15, 2005

Gabbo! Gabbo!
posted by furtive at 12:44 PM on November 15, 2005

"Interrogation (10641) is in your extended network"

Because of Tom?

This sounds like a memogate-styled plant. Disinfo for the purpose of discredit.
posted by 3.2.3 at 12:44 PM on November 15, 2005

phearlez writes "Or a viral ad campaign for a group such as the ACLU."

If this turns out to be true I'll plotz.
posted by OmieWise at 12:45 PM on November 15, 2005

I think Bush wants this on 60 minutes...
posted by xammerboy at 12:47 PM on November 15, 2005

Is 10641 another dhoyt sockpuppet?
posted by COBRA! at 12:49 PM on November 15, 2005

Neat. Someone's going to do an art film which is a cross between the Blair Witch and every leftologists wet dream of "evidence of how evil teh .mil/gubment" is. Shock and awe, shucks.


Wake me up when it's actually not a rehash of '00 poor film students.


Merfle-foop.
posted by daq at 12:50 PM on November 15, 2005

Audio is way too clear for the video quality. I vote planted meme.
posted by mrbill at 12:51 PM on November 15, 2005

Smells like a hoax to me. Don't jump on this bandwagon. Why would a detainee be spoken to in English without a translator available? Somehow I don't think a detainee would be talking about his rights either. We'd do good not to jump on all of this.
posted by Ironmouth at 12:56 PM on November 15, 2005

Gabbo! Gabbo!

10641 is a bad widdle boy.
posted by Gator at 12:58 PM on November 15, 2005

Looks awfully staged to me.

Quite the coinkydink that the one time the interrogator does anything that gets a reaction out of the guy, his back is to the camera and you can't see what he's doing.

The time-stamp (lower right) and tape ID? (lower left) code seems a bit too blurry. But even so, the "font" seems too crisp, where you'd expect some kind of large-pixel font like you see in cop dash cams or other police tapes you see on TV.

Also, is that room carpeted? When was the last time you ever saw a police interview/interrogation room that was carpeted? Notice the floor molding too? That room looks more like an office/business room than an interrogation room. No obvious lock on the door. Looks like a plain, stainless steel knob. Also, I think you can see the middle door hinge on the right side of the door. A hinge on the INSIDE? No way, not in an interrogation room. That door is not secure at all, hence anyone left in the room could easily get out.

Never see anyone's face.

Interrogator looks to be in simple business clothes and not any kind of uniform. That means it's not an armed forces guy. CIA then? Seems a bit odd.
posted by ruthsarian at 12:58 PM on November 15, 2005

I am not a number, I am a free man!
posted by goatdog at 12:58 PM on November 15, 2005

it's prolly just some viral ad campaign for an upcoming TV sitcom situated in Guantanamo.

Took the words out of my mouth.
posted by dead_ at 12:58 PM on November 15, 2005

Recently a DVD-disc was received in the mail. There was no return address and the postmark was from Nebraska. There was a yellow sticky note with, "W2 Archive," written on it in block print. The DVD-disc had 6 .AVI files that used the Sequential Logging System time-code. The contents of the video are shocking and disturbing.

If I had a dime for every time that's happened to me...
posted by prostyle at 1:00 PM on November 15, 2005

From the 10641.com main page: I do not declare that the video is real, only that it exists.

Movie/tv company just a bit worried about the damage they could cause with a viral campaign like this adds disclaimer.
posted by poppo at 1:02 PM on November 15, 2005

"Recently a DVD-disc was received in the mail. There was no return address and the postmark was from Nebraska. There was a yellow sticky note with, "W2 Archive," written on it in block print. The DVD-disc had 6 .AVI files that used the Sequential Logging System time-code. The contents of the video are shocking and disturbing." - Bob Saget
posted by eddydamascene at 1:17 PM on November 15, 2005

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posted by papercake at 1:20 PM on November 15, 2005

Audio is way too clear for the video quality. I vote planted meme.

My thoughts exactly.
posted by dontoine at 1:25 PM on November 15, 2005

You are #6.
posted by mikrophon at 1:27 PM on November 15, 2005

Who is #1?!

and, Who does #2 work for???
posted by JeffK at 1:29 PM on November 15, 2005

Oh oops, yeah I sent that as a joke.
posted by geoff. at 1:33 PM on November 15, 2005

Just wondering, for those that have watched the video, how graphic are they? I'd really appreciate some more of an explination provided in the FPP since the 10641.com site itself doesn't say exactly what the videos show, other than 'interrogations', which to me would mean some pretty graphic/nasty/bloody stuff.
posted by gren at 1:36 PM on November 15, 2005

It's probably not viral marketing. I would think you would see a "Privacy Policy" link hidden somewhere if it was a major production company or network, as can be seen in this Lost site.
posted by SweetJesus at 1:41 PM on November 15, 2005

I 10621th the viral ad.
posted by armoured-ant at 1:43 PM on November 15, 2005

This is obviously fake. No-one would deliberately make such a bland and cryptic site for a genuine piece of news.
posted by Pretty_Generic at 1:43 PM on November 15, 2005

Dude sounds just like Sam Kinnison.
posted by bondcliff at 1:52 PM on November 15, 2005

Of course it's bullshit. There's no such thing as the "Sequential Logging System" timecode. Type it into Google, you'll get no results. I just don't think it's viral marketing...

You forget that there are lots of crazy people in the world with both time and money. The internet just gives us a peek into their world.
posted by SweetJesus at 1:52 PM on November 15, 2005

10641?
posted by knave at 1:56 PM on November 15, 2005

Well, I dunno about you, but I'm 10462. Close, though! I wonder what Klint wins?
posted by Hildegarde at 2:00 PM on November 15, 2005

gren: G-Rated except for the word "damn".

Nothing to them. Literally, nothing.

Audio way to crisp.

Absolutely no way it is "legitimate".
posted by Ynoxas at 2:02 PM on November 15, 2005

posted by knave at 2:02 PM on November 15, 2005

Beyond all the other analysis posted above...whoever is playing the interrogator cannot act, it is especially obvious in the second clip. Incredibly fake.
posted by fire&wings at 2:03 PM on November 15, 2005

"This is obviously the most controversial video of 2005"

au contraire.
posted by Baby_Balrog at 2:13 PM on November 15, 2005

I am not a number, I am a free man!
posted by The Great Big Mulp at 2:15 PM on November 15, 2005

Jean Valjean, you are mine!
posted by jenovus at 2:23 PM on November 15, 2005

Who is 10641?

That would be telling. We want INFORMATION.
posted by lodurr at 2:30 PM on November 15, 2005

When was the last time you ever saw a police interview/interrogation room that was carpeted?

Luckily I've never seen a police interview/interrogation room.
posted by gauchodaspampas at 2:49 PM on November 15, 2005

I'm 10709 which is 68 higher than 10641.
68 divided by 5 is 13.6
911 plus 13.6 is 924.6
What the hell were we talking about here?
posted by KevinSkomsvold at 3:01 PM on November 15, 2005

au contraire.

yes. that was worth it.
posted by mrgrimm at 3:07 PM on November 15, 2005

I can't seem to hear the Bob Saget voice-over. Is it because I'm using a Mac?
posted by CheeseburgerBrown at 3:19 PM on November 15, 2005

About an hour ago, I listened briefly to a reporter lady from Washingtron Post discussing the use of transports to send prisoners to foreign countries for "interrogation>" She noted in passing that even the Senate oversight committees for such things were not being given access to information!
posted by Postroad at 3:26 PM on November 15, 2005

10641
posted by malaprohibita at 3:26 PM on November 15, 2005

I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered.
posted by Skygazer at 3:29 PM on November 15, 2005

10641
posted by malaprohibita at 3:26 PM PST on November 15 [!]

It's all coming together now...
posted by muddgirl at 3:43 PM on November 15, 2005

10641
posted by IronLizard at 4:14 PM on November 15, 2005

All your 10641 belong to U.S.!
posted by Mr Bluesky at 4:34 PM on November 15, 2005

24601 - Jean Valjean.
posted by mad at 4:46 PM on November 15, 2005

agitprop?
posted by Smedleyman at 4:53 PM on November 15, 2005

What skeptics you all are. Experts in detection of fraudulent
video tape are you? Connoisseurs of interrogation rooms?
You have inside knowledge of torture protocol for the military? Knowledge regarding the significance of a blurry time/date stamp, the lack of a uniformed torturer? You know that someone is acting from a few seconds of bad video tape? Because the audio is clearer than the video tape you automatically assume fraud?

You know nothing.
posted by bat at 5:04 PM on November 15, 2005

What skeptics you all are.

Nicest complement I've had all week.
posted by Pretty_Generic at 5:06 PM on November 15, 2005

I think there's a lot of other bullshit than that, Bat.

Shit, if this was the worst thing happening to "detainees" at any given moment, we would be very, very lucky 'cause, you know, it ain't
posted by Ogre Lawless at 5:11 PM on November 15, 2005

There was a yellow sticky note with, "W2 Archive," written on it in block print.

W2 Archive: Erotic Computing
posted by eatitlive at 5:33 PM on November 15, 2005

W2 is probably referring to "Whiskey-2," an alleged interrogation site the link refers to.

And though I remain skeptical, if such a site did exist, I'm pretty sure the feds would get Google to suppress any meaningful results.
posted by Brian James at 6:02 PM on November 15, 2005

If this is a hoax, besides the ethical issues, aren't there legal ones? They've created a MySpace page and basically joined every group in existence (which corrects my earlier suprise at seeing that they joined all the 420/weed groups).
posted by VulcanMike at 6:07 PM on November 15, 2005

From the videos: Sam Kinnison has returned from the dead to save the world from guys in pajamas.

This is stupid. I'm not even saying it's fake, but it's stupid. God Damn, I've seen worse from Tijuana cops against guys peeing in an alley.
posted by snsranch at 7:01 PM on November 15, 2005

Brian James, "whiskey" in the military is how you say the letter W. Like, whiskey tango foxtrot. So he's just saying W2 in a 'cool' way.
posted by knave at 8:51 PM on November 15, 2005

What skeptics you all are

Blame Fox. The Alien Autopsy put me well over the top.
posted by Smedleyman at 9:20 PM on November 15, 2005

A person detained is not a number, only a convicted person becomes "a number". Convicted persons are usually not interrogated.

There is a reference in the dialog about "conspiring to hurt children". This doesn't sound much like the war on terror to me.

As observed, the language is too mild for reality.

Anyone track down the torrent mentioned?
posted by Goofyy at 10:37 PM on November 15, 2005

When was the last time you ever saw a police interview/interrogation room that was carpeted? Notice the floor molding too? That room looks more like an office/business room than an interrogation room. No obvious lock on the door. Looks like a plain, stainless steel knob. Also, I think you can see the middle door hinge on the right side of the door. A hinge on the INSIDE? No way, not in an interrogation room. That door is not secure at all, hence anyone left in the room could easily get out.

I'm not taking a stand as to wether this is legit or fake, but:
Illegal torture is prefereably done in some non-descript location such as a motel on the outskirts of town.
The Abu Graib fiasco should make it clear why this is a good idea.

For the same reason none of the interrogators are shown.

The interrogation room does not need to be secure since the prisoner is never alone there, and is usually tied up.
posted by spazzm at 12:58 AM on November 16, 2005

Ehm, "good" idea from the torturist's point of view, that is.
posted by spazzm at 12:59 AM on November 16, 2005

Not only is the sound quality good, but it's good in the wrong way. That is, the interrogator is miked. If you mike anyone in an interrogation, it's the detainee.
posted by lexalexander at 8:10 AM on November 16, 2005

Look, Smithers! Garbo is coming!
posted by mowglisambo at 1:44 PM on November 16, 2005

mad: i know
posted by jenovus at 7:19 PM on November 17, 2005