MOMUS
January 12, 2007 4:55 PM Subscribe
The best thing ever posted to the web? The Momus Mixtape of course. This music will do things to your brain. Good things. And bad things. You may cream your jeans.
iMomus via Litwack.
umm you could ignore the apple shit - the post is about the music - but thanks.
posted by vronsky at 5:03 PM on January 12, 2007
posted by vronsky at 5:03 PM on January 12, 2007
Why does the icon on the phone say "Cingular"?
By the time this comes out, there will be no "Cingular"-- it will be "AT&T" again.
And guys who brag that they don't have a cell phones are to cool for me.
posted by wfc123 at 5:10 PM on January 12, 2007
By the time this comes out, there will be no "Cingular"-- it will be "AT&T" again.
And guys who brag that they don't have a cell phones are to cool for me.
posted by wfc123 at 5:10 PM on January 12, 2007
I don't understand why I should care about this song list.
And yes, I loathe people who point out they don't have a cell.
posted by mrnutty at 5:12 PM on January 12, 2007
And yes, I loathe people who point out they don't have a cell.
posted by mrnutty at 5:12 PM on January 12, 2007
A right justified web page? This mp3 had better be good.
posted by boo_radley at 5:12 PM on January 12, 2007 [1 favorite]
posted by boo_radley at 5:12 PM on January 12, 2007 [1 favorite]
goddamn people - if you are too stupid to find the link - don't bother.
"why did you FPP someone's livejournal about the iPhone" - go away.
posted by vronsky at 5:20 PM on January 12, 2007 [2 favorites]
"why did you FPP someone's livejournal about the iPhone" - go away.
posted by vronsky at 5:20 PM on January 12, 2007 [2 favorites]
random question: why do some MP3 links spawn a Save dialog in Firefox, and others open the MP3 as a QuickTime file in the browser? does it have something to do with getting encoded with iTunes? if I didn't have the QuickTime browser plug-in would it break? (I think that's what used to happen before I finally relented and installed QT.)
on topic, I always get Matmos and Momus confused. I think it's Matmos that I like... but this is fairly interesting stuff, a *lot* like The Blow. I do wish they split it up into tracks, however.
Girl Talk is playing tonight at the Independent in SF. Should be fun.
on preview: it never hurts to put the main link (the MP3) in the main body of the post. people are lazy, and so am i.
posted by mrgrimm at 5:21 PM on January 12, 2007
on topic, I always get Matmos and Momus confused. I think it's Matmos that I like... but this is fairly interesting stuff, a *lot* like The Blow. I do wish they split it up into tracks, however.
Girl Talk is playing tonight at the Independent in SF. Should be fun.
on preview: it never hurts to put the main link (the MP3) in the main body of the post. people are lazy, and so am i.
posted by mrgrimm at 5:21 PM on January 12, 2007
also, I would avoid phrases like "The best thing ever posted to the web" unless you like wearing your ass as your hat.
nonetheless, thanks for the link. i'm hitting it right now.
posted by mrgrimm at 5:22 PM on January 12, 2007
nonetheless, thanks for the link. i'm hitting it right now.
posted by mrgrimm at 5:22 PM on January 12, 2007
Forgive my lack of tact: Hey, fuck you. If you're too lazy and self-absorbed to explain why you thought an 83 MB mp3 is good, don't bother.
posted by boo_radley at 5:23 PM on January 12, 2007
posted by boo_radley at 5:23 PM on January 12, 2007
you know boo radley, you could just skip it, like I do yours.
posted by vronsky at 5:25 PM on January 12, 2007
posted by vronsky at 5:25 PM on January 12, 2007
I still can't find the fucking thing. So I am with boo, fuck you too.
posted by repoman at 5:26 PM on January 12, 2007
posted by repoman at 5:26 PM on January 12, 2007
"also, I would avoid phrases like "The best thing ever posted to the web" unless you like wearing your ass as your hat."
or you could have a sense of humor.
posted by vronsky at 5:27 PM on January 12, 2007
or you could have a sense of humor.
posted by vronsky at 5:27 PM on January 12, 2007
the worst thing ever posted to metafilter. vronsky should eat a bunch of napalm.
posted by angrycandy at 5:31 PM on January 12, 2007 [1 favorite]
posted by angrycandy at 5:31 PM on January 12, 2007 [1 favorite]
I think public opinion has turn firmly against you and this "momus", vronsky.
posted by mrnutty at 5:31 PM on January 12, 2007
posted by mrnutty at 5:31 PM on January 12, 2007
Why is a one-eyed man posting to his LiveJournal about a very ugly phone? The world may never know :-(
posted by cmonkey at 5:35 PM on January 12, 2007
posted by cmonkey at 5:35 PM on January 12, 2007
could this discussion be moved to metatalk and involve a flameout? i'm lonely. and its friday.
posted by localhuman at 5:37 PM on January 12, 2007
posted by localhuman at 5:37 PM on January 12, 2007
I think public opinion has turn firmly against you and this "momus", vronsky
yeah - I bet someone likes it though - it is about 100 different kinds of awesome. And Momus is a fairly well known musician, or so I thought. And I am not really sure how to describe the music - I wasn't familiar with any of the bands. Maybe Brian Eno meets ? mixed with mushrooms - set on a low simmer. Psychedelic minimalism?
posted by vronsky at 5:38 PM on January 12, 2007
yeah - I bet someone likes it though - it is about 100 different kinds of awesome. And Momus is a fairly well known musician, or so I thought. And I am not really sure how to describe the music - I wasn't familiar with any of the bands. Maybe Brian Eno meets ? mixed with mushrooms - set on a low simmer. Psychedelic minimalism?
posted by vronsky at 5:38 PM on January 12, 2007
Huh. People still don't know who Momus is? Huh.
Assuming this post gets (sadly) deleted, maybe an Encyclopedia-type FPP is necessary.
I'm on it.
posted by roll truck roll at 5:41 PM on January 12, 2007
Assuming this post gets (sadly) deleted, maybe an Encyclopedia-type FPP is necessary.
I'm on it.
posted by roll truck roll at 5:41 PM on January 12, 2007
umm you could ignore the apple shit - the post is about the music - but thanks.
My apologies, I didn't realize my "blah blah blah" comment came off as snarky as it did, but it did. The music looks interesting, I've enjoyed music by The Blow and am curious to hear those tracks on the mix. I was a little put off by the wanky Man-Apple love and was commenting solely on that, but that's not really here nor there in the context of the point of the post.
posted by SmileyChewtrain at 5:42 PM on January 12, 2007
My apologies, I didn't realize my "blah blah blah" comment came off as snarky as it did, but it did. The music looks interesting, I've enjoyed music by The Blow and am curious to hear those tracks on the mix. I was a little put off by the wanky Man-Apple love and was commenting solely on that, but that's not really here nor there in the context of the point of the post.
posted by SmileyChewtrain at 5:42 PM on January 12, 2007
This is really cool... very trippy.
Thanks for posting this.
posted by squidfartz at 5:42 PM on January 12, 2007
Thanks for posting this.
posted by squidfartz at 5:42 PM on January 12, 2007
Thanks smiley, truck and squid - I feel better now. I'm out.
posted by vronsky at 5:45 PM on January 12, 2007
posted by vronsky at 5:45 PM on January 12, 2007
"100 different kinds of awesome...."
could you list those for me?
for you, vronsky.... thank me later.
posted by HuronBob at 5:47 PM on January 12, 2007 [1 favorite]
could you list those for me?
for you, vronsky.... thank me later.
posted by HuronBob at 5:47 PM on January 12, 2007 [1 favorite]
The clock on that iPhone shows the wrong time, vronsky. Just sayin'.
posted by hal9k at 5:55 PM on January 12, 2007 [1 favorite]
posted by hal9k at 5:55 PM on January 12, 2007 [1 favorite]
I don't have a cell phone or an ipod. Can I get a little hate here?
posted by BeerFilter at 5:55 PM on January 12, 2007
posted by BeerFilter at 5:55 PM on January 12, 2007
Beerfilter -- no snark - no hate. If you do not have those things, is there one thing you do have that we can know about. Then we can ask Momus, say when he is doing one of his Whitney gigs, if he has any similar items.
No hate in advance.
posted by RubberHen at 6:01 PM on January 12, 2007
No hate in advance.
posted by RubberHen at 6:01 PM on January 12, 2007
It's a link to some guy talking about the Ipod...er Iphone or something. Oh, I'm supposed to find a link in there somewhere? Ok. brb...
posted by BillsR100 at 6:10 PM on January 12, 2007
posted by BillsR100 at 6:10 PM on January 12, 2007
if this is the best thing ever posted to the web, then The Wire is the greatest thing ever shown on TV.
posted by matteo at 6:16 PM on January 12, 2007
posted by matteo at 6:16 PM on January 12, 2007
I think I'm about to have another one for the deleted thread blog. You people keep me busy.
posted by bob sarabia at 6:19 PM on January 12, 2007
posted by bob sarabia at 6:19 PM on January 12, 2007
Some other pop, rock, and punk disco mixes by another guy, not the best of the web, but not FPP worthy on its own, but hey, they're free downloads and there's no iPhone on the webpage, just Vice Magazine style pictures
posted by anthill at 6:19 PM on January 12, 2007
posted by anthill at 6:19 PM on January 12, 2007
Momus once wrote a song about Wendy Carlos going back in time and hanging out with Walter Carlos. This is more than enough to recommend him.
posted by phooky at 6:23 PM on January 12, 2007
posted by phooky at 6:23 PM on January 12, 2007
Hey what do you know - matteo made me laugh. For once. But I deserved that. Unclench people.
posted by vronsky at 6:24 PM on January 12, 2007
posted by vronsky at 6:24 PM on January 12, 2007
Well, I have heard of Momus, but all of these other bands are new to me. And, so far (I'm like halfway through), they're awesome.
posted by mr_roboto at 6:32 PM on January 12, 2007
posted by mr_roboto at 6:32 PM on January 12, 2007
Momus Fans some Hate
posted by interrobang at 6:35 PM on January 12, 2007
posted by interrobang at 6:35 PM on January 12, 2007
Yep. I listened to the (83 MB!) mix on the way home. It's generally enjoyable. I wish it'd been broken up into tracks, but it's decent enough.
posted by boo_radley at 6:37 PM on January 12, 2007
posted by boo_radley at 6:37 PM on January 12, 2007
phooky writes "Momus once wrote a song about Wendy Carlos going back in time and hanging out with Walter Carlos. This is more than enough to recommend him."
Didn't he get sued into penury over that? I remember being surprised to realize Wendy Carlos is still alive...
posted by mr_roboto at 6:38 PM on January 12, 2007
Didn't he get sued into penury over that? I remember being surprised to realize Wendy Carlos is still alive...
posted by mr_roboto at 6:38 PM on January 12, 2007
Here's some other fun stuff, hip hop, mashups, and other UK/Scottish stuff... "Mind your Bitz - the Mixtape" is a good pick.
posted by anthill at 7:02 PM on January 12, 2007
posted by anthill at 7:02 PM on January 12, 2007
who is Momus? and more importantly why shoud I care about some rather average Mp3 Dj mix of which there must be millions littered all over the internet these days?
this is the worst post i've ever seen on Metfilter
posted by mary8nne at 7:04 PM on January 12, 2007
this is the worst post i've ever seen on Metfilter
posted by mary8nne at 7:04 PM on January 12, 2007
I've never heard of momus. Perhaps some background info next time would be useful?
I took a look at the mp3. The first five minutes weren't my bag, but I assume I'll take a look at it later.
And hell yes anthill, Mind your Bitz - The Mixtape is kick ass. I listen to it on my ipod at work simply because I don't have to take time to skip past songs I don't want to hear.
posted by CitrusFreak12 at 8:04 PM on January 12, 2007
I took a look at the mp3. The first five minutes weren't my bag, but I assume I'll take a look at it later.
And hell yes anthill, Mind your Bitz - The Mixtape is kick ass. I listen to it on my ipod at work simply because I don't have to take time to skip past songs I don't want to hear.
posted by CitrusFreak12 at 8:04 PM on January 12, 2007
Um, vronsky? The link isn't the most obvious thing, while the iPhone picture and writeup is front and center.
Berating and insulting your audience for not instantly finding an obscure part of the page strikes me as rather poor form.
posted by Malor at 8:13 PM on January 12, 2007
Berating and insulting your audience for not instantly finding an obscure part of the page strikes me as rather poor form.
posted by Malor at 8:13 PM on January 12, 2007
Opens lawn chair. Sits his fat ass in it. Pops open a beer. Puts popcorn in the microwave. Invites languagehat to the flameout here -- or in Meta.
posted by ericb at 8:21 PM on January 12, 2007
posted by ericb at 8:21 PM on January 12, 2007
CitrusFreak - that mix introduced me to so much great music... Pitman, for example.... tossers...
posted by anthill at 8:27 PM on January 12, 2007
posted by anthill at 8:27 PM on January 12, 2007
Jeez I saw Momus and Kahimi Karie in Chicago back in the late 90s and damn if they weren't awesome - his wikipedia entry is worth a read, his contributes to the 'I Love Music' web community are good fun and his words/music strike a playful. thoughtful chord more often than not - give the poster a break. And heck, Momus has been blogging for a long time, I'm not surprised in the least he talked about the iPhone and included a fun mix. If you don't like it, move on. Best of the web indeed.
posted by mctsonic at 8:42 PM on January 12, 2007
posted by mctsonic at 8:42 PM on January 12, 2007
Well, I find Momus alternately amusing and totally irritating, but I suppose this week's Guardian review of his latest show rather hits the nail for me as of late...
(p.s.: not buying into the mega-hate towards vronsky. he was perhaps a bit hyperbolic in his assessment, but the guy likes the music, so ... *shrug* this too shall pass)
posted by mykescipark at 9:00 PM on January 12, 2007
(p.s.: not buying into the mega-hate towards vronsky. he was perhaps a bit hyperbolic in his assessment, but the guy likes the music, so ... *shrug* this too shall pass)
posted by mykescipark at 9:00 PM on January 12, 2007
you know why there haven't been any good flameouts lately?
because someone's always gotta go and say the f-word before it really gets started and whatever pompous blowhard is having a shit fit suddenly comes to their senses and backs off.
pacing, people.. pacing!!
HUMPHREY:
What's wrong with a kiss, boy? Hmm? Why not start her off with a nice kiss? You don't have to go leaping straight for the clitoris like a bull at a gate!
posted by sergeant sandwich at 9:05 PM on January 12, 2007 [2 favorites]
because someone's always gotta go and say the f-word before it really gets started and whatever pompous blowhard is having a shit fit suddenly comes to their senses and backs off.
pacing, people.. pacing!!
HUMPHREY:
What's wrong with a kiss, boy? Hmm? Why not start her off with a nice kiss? You don't have to go leaping straight for the clitoris like a bull at a gate!
posted by sergeant sandwich at 9:05 PM on January 12, 2007 [2 favorites]
I hope vronsky is off drinking and comes back good and pissed off soon.
I know I wasn't the only one chanting flameout, flameout, flameout.....
Ehh, maybe I'll go searching for the mythic link while I wait.
posted by fenriq at 9:24 PM on January 12, 2007
I know I wasn't the only one chanting flameout, flameout, flameout.....
Ehh, maybe I'll go searching for the mythic link while I wait.
posted by fenriq at 9:24 PM on January 12, 2007
I was all prepared to go into the post ready to defend the OP's honor and being like all "Mix tapes are cool!"
But not only is this a sub-par MeFi post, that link was craptastic even for a livejournal entry. Really.
Cool stuff to send to your friends: "Thiz guyz mix is l33t!" but without more evidence of awesomeness, it's hardly worth an FPP.
I like the eyepatch though. Arrrrrr.
posted by grapefruitmoon at 9:25 PM on January 12, 2007
But not only is this a sub-par MeFi post, that link was craptastic even for a livejournal entry. Really.
Cool stuff to send to your friends: "Thiz guyz mix is l33t!" but without more evidence of awesomeness, it's hardly worth an FPP.
I like the eyepatch though. Arrrrrr.
posted by grapefruitmoon at 9:25 PM on January 12, 2007
I'm a big fan of Momus. God bless you for posting this. More Momus posts can only elevate Metapussy.
posted by mert at 9:53 PM on January 12, 2007
posted by mert at 9:53 PM on January 12, 2007
has anyone seen my elephant?
posted by YoBananaBoy at 10:46 PM on January 12, 2007
posted by YoBananaBoy at 10:46 PM on January 12, 2007
Was it pink? Because give me a few more minutes and I'll probably find it.
posted by CitrusFreak12 at 10:56 PM on January 12, 2007
posted by CitrusFreak12 at 10:56 PM on January 12, 2007
Despite the intentions of the post... Flagged as Noise.
posted by matty at 11:13 PM on January 12, 2007
posted by matty at 11:13 PM on January 12, 2007
Well that was awful.
posted by Kraftmatic Adjustable Cheese at 11:37 PM on January 12, 2007
posted by Kraftmatic Adjustable Cheese at 11:37 PM on January 12, 2007
Eh. If jonmc can link to a single Cheap Trick video, I don't see why this guy can't link to this thing.
posted by notmydesk at 12:08 AM on January 13, 2007
posted by notmydesk at 12:08 AM on January 13, 2007
If jonmc can link to a single Cheap Trick video, I don't see why this guy can't link to this thing.
I'd like you're reasoning to go the other way; that was one crappy post by jonmc. GYOFB.
posted by jouke at 12:13 AM on January 13, 2007
I'd like you're reasoning to go the other way; that was one crappy post by jonmc. GYOFB.
posted by jouke at 12:13 AM on January 13, 2007
Eh. If jonmc can link to a single Cheap Trick video, I don't see why this guy can't link to this thing.
Yeah, at least jonmc linked to the damn video.
This guy linked to a terrible livejournal entry from some apple fanboy about the iPhone. That livejournal entry happens to have a tiny lil' link to an 83meg mp3 of some mildly interesting, but hardly mind blowing, music buried somewhere in it, huzzah.
Then the poster quickly took the opportunity to go dickhole on half the people that popped into the thread.
So yeah, while Jonmc's post may not have been 'best of the web' it's certainly a step up from this one.
posted by Jezztek at 1:43 AM on January 13, 2007
Yeah, at least jonmc linked to the damn video.
This guy linked to a terrible livejournal entry from some apple fanboy about the iPhone. That livejournal entry happens to have a tiny lil' link to an 83meg mp3 of some mildly interesting, but hardly mind blowing, music buried somewhere in it, huzzah.
Then the poster quickly took the opportunity to go dickhole on half the people that popped into the thread.
So yeah, while Jonmc's post may not have been 'best of the web' it's certainly a step up from this one.
posted by Jezztek at 1:43 AM on January 13, 2007
Momus is not bad. Momus is pretty cool actually, although I tend to find his music a bit abstract. As a person he's pretty cool and I'm sure I would dig hanging out with him. This Vronsky on the other hand...
posted by donkeymon at 1:58 AM on January 13, 2007
posted by donkeymon at 1:58 AM on January 13, 2007
I like High Places, who do a song on that mix. See them live if you can, their shows are really something else.
posted by spaghetti at 2:24 AM on January 13, 2007 [1 favorite]
posted by spaghetti at 2:24 AM on January 13, 2007 [1 favorite]
I love the way we're up to 69 comments and nobody has bothered to give a direct link to the actual subject of the post, the 83MB (!!) mp3 file. And I'm not going to either.
posted by A Thousand Baited Hooks at 3:25 AM on January 13, 2007
posted by A Thousand Baited Hooks at 3:25 AM on January 13, 2007
The dream police they wouldn't give me no peace....
Oh, sorry, I thought this was about Cheap Trick somehow.
posted by fixedgear at 3:37 AM on January 13, 2007
Oh, sorry, I thought this was about Cheap Trick somehow.
posted by fixedgear at 3:37 AM on January 13, 2007
(I liked it.)
posted by cheerleaders_to_your_funeral at 4:16 AM on January 13, 2007
posted by cheerleaders_to_your_funeral at 4:16 AM on January 13, 2007
So this guy's Scottish, like me, right, and I like listening to eccentric mixes and weird music (like osymyso, whose site is down apart from some downloads), and I like performance art, which must make me a pretty small demographic, and yet I've never heard of him?
I know MeFi loves people parading their ignorance as an answer, but surely to goodness I'd have come across him if he was any good?
No? OK, I am an idiot.
posted by imperium at 4:17 AM on January 13, 2007
I know MeFi loves people parading their ignorance as an answer, but surely to goodness I'd have come across him if he was any good?
No? OK, I am an idiot.
posted by imperium at 4:17 AM on January 13, 2007
Huh. Before I read the comments, I thought Momus was some kind of Arab dish.
posted by Atreides at 6:58 AM on January 13, 2007
posted by Atreides at 6:58 AM on January 13, 2007
This is not just a crap post, but a missed opportunity. The original link was inscrutable, and its central message unclear. But as a result of the comments, I listened to some interesting music and learned something about an artist I hadn't heard of. What a disappointment the post itself was. It could have given the music, the journal, a bio, his homepage, and other sources that would have been instructive and enlightening. We're here to share information, presumably, and this post provides none.
Intentional obfuscation as shibboleth? ("if you are too stupid to find the link ") No thanks.
posted by Miko at 8:27 AM on January 13, 2007
Intentional obfuscation as shibboleth? ("if you are too stupid to find the link ") No thanks.
posted by Miko at 8:27 AM on January 13, 2007
Has anyone linked to this thread on ILM yet?
posted by ludwig_van at 8:33 AM on January 13, 2007
posted by ludwig_van at 8:33 AM on January 13, 2007
My God! Y'all can't seem to find your dicks with both hands! "WHO'S MOMUS! I AM ANGRY!" Fuck you, retards. This is a cool little mix, and that you don't know who Momus is is your fault, not vronsky's.
The level of unearned snark here, from a bunch of mildly-literate drive-by posters, is more suited for /. than anywhere with a reputation for, I dunno, intelligence. Was it the best post in the world ever? No. Does the hyperbole necessarily compromise everything about the post? Only if you're a retarded contrarian.
Next time vronsky should be more clear. But until then, thanks for the music. Everyone else hating can sup on the ballsweat tonight.
posted by klangklangston at 8:52 AM on January 13, 2007
The level of unearned snark here, from a bunch of mildly-literate drive-by posters, is more suited for /. than anywhere with a reputation for, I dunno, intelligence. Was it the best post in the world ever? No. Does the hyperbole necessarily compromise everything about the post? Only if you're a retarded contrarian.
Next time vronsky should be more clear. But until then, thanks for the music. Everyone else hating can sup on the ballsweat tonight.
posted by klangklangston at 8:52 AM on January 13, 2007
I have no idea who Momus is, and only saw this post through the now-closed Metatalk post, but "Maybe Brian Eno meets ? mixed with mushrooms - set on a low simmer. Psychedelic minimalism?" sounds interesting enough for me to download. If it's cool, great. If it sucks... well, it was free.
Thanks vronsky.
posted by cog_nate at 9:08 AM on January 13, 2007
Thanks vronsky.
posted by cog_nate at 9:08 AM on January 13, 2007
you don't know who Momus is is your fault, not vronsky's
That line of reasoning is just ludicrous. Does MetaFilter exist to provide links to things people already know about? Why would that be at all interesting?
In my opinion, the best posts assume intelligence and curiousity, but not prior familiarity. That's why I used the word 'shibboleth', above; it's juvenile to say "If you haven't heard of X, you're stupid/it's your fault". That doesn't stand to reason.
I haven't heard of Momus, but that's because my listening doesn't focus on mixtapes and electronic music, it focuses on early American recorded music and traditional music, in which I'm really well versed. Would I call a MeFite stupid because they haven't heard of Joe Thompson? No -- and yet I guarantee you I could find a solid dozen, at least, who have. Should I say "it's your fault" to someone who doesn't know them? No -- I should assume they have knowledge in other areas, and that they might be interested in this area, if I take the trouble to explain what it is and why it might be interesting.
Having higher standards for judgement isn't a bad thing. Here I am listening to this mix and enjoying it -- it is good! and the content, once found, is interesting! -- but it's pretty sad that the commenters had to provide all the context, trying to be heard above defensive, abusive comments from the OP.
posted by Miko at 9:12 AM on January 13, 2007 [2 favorites]
That line of reasoning is just ludicrous. Does MetaFilter exist to provide links to things people already know about? Why would that be at all interesting?
In my opinion, the best posts assume intelligence and curiousity, but not prior familiarity. That's why I used the word 'shibboleth', above; it's juvenile to say "If you haven't heard of X, you're stupid/it's your fault". That doesn't stand to reason.
I haven't heard of Momus, but that's because my listening doesn't focus on mixtapes and electronic music, it focuses on early American recorded music and traditional music, in which I'm really well versed. Would I call a MeFite stupid because they haven't heard of Joe Thompson? No -- and yet I guarantee you I could find a solid dozen, at least, who have. Should I say "it's your fault" to someone who doesn't know them? No -- I should assume they have knowledge in other areas, and that they might be interested in this area, if I take the trouble to explain what it is and why it might be interesting.
Having higher standards for judgement isn't a bad thing. Here I am listening to this mix and enjoying it -- it is good! and the content, once found, is interesting! -- but it's pretty sad that the commenters had to provide all the context, trying to be heard above defensive, abusive comments from the OP.
posted by Miko at 9:12 AM on January 13, 2007 [2 favorites]
"That line of reasoning is just ludicrous. Does MetaFilter exist to provide links to things people already know about? Why would that be at all interesting?"
See: Newsfilter. Especially newsfilter about, say, Canada. It IS my fault if I don't know who Stephen Harper is, even though I'm an American.
Momus has been famous since, what, the mid-'90s? His legal troubles with Wendy Carlos led to a commissioned song project that was both popular and well-covered in mainstream press.
Further, his comment was "if you're too stupid to find the link," which, while blunt, wasn't regarding Momus's fame. It was in reference to the fact that you have to scroll down the page. If someone on Metafilter isn't familiar with scrolling down to find a link, yeah, I think that's their fault, not the poster's. Joe Thompson is a canard. (Yes, the post would have been better recieved if he included: "MP3 link halfway down," but that should be largely unnecessary.)
You say that we should assume intelligence and curiousity. I'd say that the poster did, and it's those who were complaining about the "hard to find" meat of the post who were violating that assumption.
posted by klangklangston at 9:39 AM on January 13, 2007
See: Newsfilter. Especially newsfilter about, say, Canada. It IS my fault if I don't know who Stephen Harper is, even though I'm an American.
Momus has been famous since, what, the mid-'90s? His legal troubles with Wendy Carlos led to a commissioned song project that was both popular and well-covered in mainstream press.
Further, his comment was "if you're too stupid to find the link," which, while blunt, wasn't regarding Momus's fame. It was in reference to the fact that you have to scroll down the page. If someone on Metafilter isn't familiar with scrolling down to find a link, yeah, I think that's their fault, not the poster's. Joe Thompson is a canard. (Yes, the post would have been better recieved if he included: "MP3 link halfway down," but that should be largely unnecessary.)
You say that we should assume intelligence and curiousity. I'd say that the poster did, and it's those who were complaining about the "hard to find" meat of the post who were violating that assumption.
posted by klangklangston at 9:39 AM on January 13, 2007
"but it's pretty sad that the commenters had to provide all the context, trying to be heard above defensive, abusive comments from the OP."
And this is also bullshit. He got snarked on with the very first comment. He should have handled it better, but to blame him for defensive and abusive comments is to ignore the offensive and abusive comments he got.
posted by klangklangston at 9:41 AM on January 13, 2007
And this is also bullshit. He got snarked on with the very first comment. He should have handled it better, but to blame him for defensive and abusive comments is to ignore the offensive and abusive comments he got.
posted by klangklangston at 9:41 AM on January 13, 2007
I appreciate it klang.
I should have known better than to cast my pearls before the swine. They turned, and they trampled me.
posted by vronsky at 10:12 AM on January 13, 2007
I should have known better than to cast my pearls before the swine. They turned, and they trampled me.
posted by vronsky at 10:12 AM on January 13, 2007
metafilter - I'm a pile-up who?
vronsky - You're a pile of poo?
metafilter - I'm a pile-up who?
vronsky - You're a pile of poo?
metafilter - I'm a pile-up who?
vronsky - You're a pile of poo?
repeat ad nauseum
cut/paste x 100
posted by vronsky at 10:27 AM on January 13, 2007 [1 favorite]
vronsky - You're a pile of poo?
metafilter - I'm a pile-up who?
vronsky - You're a pile of poo?
metafilter - I'm a pile-up who?
vronsky - You're a pile of poo?
repeat ad nauseum
cut/paste x 100
posted by vronsky at 10:27 AM on January 13, 2007 [1 favorite]
I must not be doing it right. Opened the page, read the paragraph, clicked on the mp3 link. It downloaded. I feel so lonely- everything worked w/o a fuss.
posted by pointilist at 10:31 AM on January 13, 2007 [1 favorite]
posted by pointilist at 10:31 AM on January 13, 2007 [1 favorite]
Took less than 5 secs to find the link and it's worth listening to. I'm happy, it's worthy of a FPP, thanks very much.
posted by brautigan at 10:59 AM on January 13, 2007
posted by brautigan at 10:59 AM on January 13, 2007
Oh for f*cks sake. This gets more and more stupid. Please Vronsky don't play the injured martyr. You were out of line as much as anyone.
I appreciate your addressing the mean spiritedness shown towards him here, Klang. It's true that the standards that have been established on Metafilter for quality FPP's are sometimes used as an excuse for opening the field up to abuse and mean-spiritedness, but if you look at the first 9 posts you'll see this snow-balled pretty innocently. It was a simple misunderstanding on both sides. People were confused about a music post that went to a blog entry about the iPhone, which is 90% of the content above the fold btw (at 1400 x 1050), some even went as far as commenting on that innocently enough or being . But it was confusing, why would you expect to find the only link to the mp-3 as two words within the piece about the iphone, especially after Vronsky insisted:
umm you could ignore the apple shit - the post is about the music - but thanks.
I am not interested in reading fuck-all about the iphone at this point (talk about saturation...a 400 comment Mefi thread and not being able to take a piss w/o hearing someone else cream their pants about it), especially when we're (at least I am) interested in hearing some new great new music touted as "The Best thing ever posted on the web." Those are some mighty big words and at the very least it would've been easy enough for him/her to point out where it was, but instead we're berated with this defensive condescending shot across the bow:
goddamn people - if you are too stupid to find the link - don't bother.
At which point, I'm sorry, I'm not one to be so f*cking anal about FPP's being picture perfect, but WTF? How would you expect people to respond to that? He threw the first punch and anyone who's that uptight around here is definitely worthy of being taken down a peg and the snark which turned understandably (but sadly) into over eager taunts for a flameout.
Also please spare the more-hip-than-thou BS. You do not want to get into that pissing match. What does knowing about Momus have to do with finding a badly placed link on a lazy and poorly written FPP. As Miko pointed out, we all have our interests and areas of knowledge, and as far as I understand it, Metafilter is about using the web to open peoples eyes to new and worthwhile experiences, not to berate them for not being cool enough to own a Momus or a Joe Thompson (I don't know who he is) CD.
That being said I enjoyed the mix, Vronsky, some of it is a little over indulgent, but it's mostly nicely eclectic and good. I'm looking forward to listening to it some more. Thx.
posted by Skygazer at 10:59 AM on January 13, 2007 [1 favorite]
I appreciate your addressing the mean spiritedness shown towards him here, Klang. It's true that the standards that have been established on Metafilter for quality FPP's are sometimes used as an excuse for opening the field up to abuse and mean-spiritedness, but if you look at the first 9 posts you'll see this snow-balled pretty innocently. It was a simple misunderstanding on both sides. People were confused about a music post that went to a blog entry about the iPhone, which is 90% of the content above the fold btw (at 1400 x 1050), some even went as far as commenting on that innocently enough or being . But it was confusing, why would you expect to find the only link to the mp-3 as two words within the piece about the iphone, especially after Vronsky insisted:
umm you could ignore the apple shit - the post is about the music - but thanks.
I am not interested in reading fuck-all about the iphone at this point (talk about saturation...a 400 comment Mefi thread and not being able to take a piss w/o hearing someone else cream their pants about it), especially when we're (at least I am) interested in hearing some new great new music touted as "The Best thing ever posted on the web." Those are some mighty big words and at the very least it would've been easy enough for him/her to point out where it was, but instead we're berated with this defensive condescending shot across the bow:
goddamn people - if you are too stupid to find the link - don't bother.
At which point, I'm sorry, I'm not one to be so f*cking anal about FPP's being picture perfect, but WTF? How would you expect people to respond to that? He threw the first punch and anyone who's that uptight around here is definitely worthy of being taken down a peg and the snark which turned understandably (but sadly) into over eager taunts for a flameout.
Also please spare the more-hip-than-thou BS. You do not want to get into that pissing match. What does knowing about Momus have to do with finding a badly placed link on a lazy and poorly written FPP. As Miko pointed out, we all have our interests and areas of knowledge, and as far as I understand it, Metafilter is about using the web to open peoples eyes to new and worthwhile experiences, not to berate them for not being cool enough to own a Momus or a Joe Thompson (I don't know who he is) CD.
That being said I enjoyed the mix, Vronsky, some of it is a little over indulgent, but it's mostly nicely eclectic and good. I'm looking forward to listening to it some more. Thx.
posted by Skygazer at 10:59 AM on January 13, 2007 [1 favorite]
Hm. Then congratulations for knowing everything you do know, and it is your fault for not knowing everything you don't know. Too bad posts like this don't make it easier to expand that limited knowledge.
Joe Thompson is a canard.
Canard: an unfounded or false, deliberately misleading story; a rumor; a hoax.
You might have meant 'red herring' or possibly 'straw man,' but Joe Thompson is not a canard, because he is an actual person, not a rumor or a misleading story. What I provided was a goodanalogy: a musician who is quite well known among people who are conversant with his genre, but not necessarily to everyone.
As to 'you're too stupid to find the link', it wasn't clear that the post was about finding a link. It wasn't clear that there was anything but an entry about the iPhone on a guy's lj. It doesn't matter how long Momus has been around; there's no reason to assume he's as famous to everyone as he is to you. It's a big, big world. People have different frames of reference. That's why we try to present information to one another. Newsfilter, by its very nature, presents new information. That's what news is!
Anyway, you two have fun defending each other. No amount of defense will make it a good post; the proof is that the discussion has been largely about post quality and not about content. The critiques of this post were very much justified, and I hope we don't see many more like this one.
posted by Miko at 11:04 AM on January 13, 2007
Joe Thompson is a canard.
Canard: an unfounded or false, deliberately misleading story; a rumor; a hoax.
You might have meant 'red herring' or possibly 'straw man,' but Joe Thompson is not a canard, because he is an actual person, not a rumor or a misleading story. What I provided was a goodanalogy: a musician who is quite well known among people who are conversant with his genre, but not necessarily to everyone.
As to 'you're too stupid to find the link', it wasn't clear that the post was about finding a link. It wasn't clear that there was anything but an entry about the iPhone on a guy's lj. It doesn't matter how long Momus has been around; there's no reason to assume he's as famous to everyone as he is to you. It's a big, big world. People have different frames of reference. That's why we try to present information to one another. Newsfilter, by its very nature, presents new information. That's what news is!
Anyway, you two have fun defending each other. No amount of defense will make it a good post; the proof is that the discussion has been largely about post quality and not about content. The critiques of this post were very much justified, and I hope we don't see many more like this one.
posted by Miko at 11:04 AM on January 13, 2007
klangklangston, i must strenuously disagree with you here. there are a million reasons why a reader of this site might not be familiar with momus, and to not supply more context borders on contemptuous.
i'm familiar with momus, as are lots of people, but for a poster to presume that everyone or most metafilter readers (because the site isn't simply all about the "members") have a working familiarity with momus such that this post would be of interest to them (and it's not simply a post you can read or not read, but a freaking 83 mb multi-song mp3 that's not divided into tracks -- you're supposed to download and listen to that whole thing if you don't know momus or anything about his taste or significance?! whiskey tango foxtrot indeed!)
you're treating momus as if he's as well-known as beck or something, and that's just simply not the case. also, it's music -- tastes, and interest level and therefore familiarity -- vary widely. neither you or the poster seem to be accounting for that.
posted by Hat Maui at 11:17 AM on January 13, 2007
i'm familiar with momus, as are lots of people, but for a poster to presume that everyone or most metafilter readers (because the site isn't simply all about the "members") have a working familiarity with momus such that this post would be of interest to them (and it's not simply a post you can read or not read, but a freaking 83 mb multi-song mp3 that's not divided into tracks -- you're supposed to download and listen to that whole thing if you don't know momus or anything about his taste or significance?! whiskey tango foxtrot indeed!)
you're treating momus as if he's as well-known as beck or something, and that's just simply not the case. also, it's music -- tastes, and interest level and therefore familiarity -- vary widely. neither you or the poster seem to be accounting for that.
posted by Hat Maui at 11:17 AM on January 13, 2007
OK, I'm sorry for the snark, but my point is simply this: it would've been no harder than this to create a far better FPP. Language verbatim, even.
The best thing ever posted to the web? The Momus Mixtape, of course. This music will do things to your brain. Good things. And bad things. You may cream your jeans. iMomus via Litwack.
See what I mean?
posted by Miko at 11:17 AM on January 13, 2007 [1 favorite]
The best thing ever posted to the web? The Momus Mixtape, of course. This music will do things to your brain. Good things. And bad things. You may cream your jeans. iMomus via Litwack.
See what I mean?
posted by Miko at 11:17 AM on January 13, 2007 [1 favorite]
"Ultraconformist, voyager, timelord, tennis and ping pong champion, tender pervert, poison boyfriend, hippopotamus, philosopher, folk singer, star forever." —Momus' self-description from his LiveJournal
posted by vronsky at 11:26 AM on January 13, 2007
posted by vronsky at 11:26 AM on January 13, 2007
i've read that same sequence dozens of times in myspace profiles.
posted by Hat Maui at 11:30 AM on January 13, 2007 [1 favorite]
posted by Hat Maui at 11:30 AM on January 13, 2007 [1 favorite]
Well I really am a ping pong champion and a tender boyfriend. Maybe that is why I liked it so much.
posted by vronsky at 11:38 AM on January 13, 2007
posted by vronsky at 11:38 AM on January 13, 2007
vronsky this is sweet.
I wanted to write some fulminating phrases at the knobs who shit on this post. but I won't. thanks.
posted by headless at 11:58 AM on January 13, 2007
I wanted to write some fulminating phrases at the knobs who shit on this post. but I won't. thanks.
posted by headless at 11:58 AM on January 13, 2007
Great post, Miko. I'm now happily downloading this mp3, which may complement my other interests.
posted by anthill at 12:29 PM on January 13, 2007 [1 favorite]
posted by anthill at 12:29 PM on January 13, 2007 [1 favorite]
completely off topic - I watched an interview with Robert Plant last night (Hangin With, vh1c) and this is an exact quote - " I want to be Laurie Anderson's boyfriend. What were those American planes she was going on about...?"
posted by vronsky at 12:45 PM on January 13, 2007
posted by vronsky at 12:45 PM on January 13, 2007
This is the best post Ever! Thanks, Miko! Oh ok, and that other guy.
posted by gorgor_balabala at 1:03 PM on January 13, 2007
posted by gorgor_balabala at 1:03 PM on January 13, 2007
admins - feel free to swap Miko's post for mine. Hers IS better.
posted by vronsky at 1:37 PM on January 13, 2007
posted by vronsky at 1:37 PM on January 13, 2007
"What I provided was a goodanalogy: a musician who is quite well known among people who are conversant with his genre, but not necessarily to everyone."
Which still doesn't prove your point— That it is more remiss for the author to not provide context than it is for the audience to look for it. Not every link needs a wikipedia entry, and it's far more contemptuous of your audience to assume that it does, rather than assuming that interested people can investigate on their own.
And by leading with the mp3, you make that more likely to get shut down. Hotlinking is considered uncouth by many.
Look, you obviously got enough out of the post to enjoy it. Therefor, the post worked. That it could have been better is not in contention, but your post hoc justification of snarky bullshit assumes an audience so spoiled that their bleating is justified when not everything is spoonfed to them. And that most of the posts have been meta reflects the unfortunate descent of the poster into tit-for-tat, not the ultimate rightness of those complaints. Pretending otherwise is a canard.
posted by klangklangston at 1:44 PM on January 13, 2007
Which still doesn't prove your point— That it is more remiss for the author to not provide context than it is for the audience to look for it. Not every link needs a wikipedia entry, and it's far more contemptuous of your audience to assume that it does, rather than assuming that interested people can investigate on their own.
And by leading with the mp3, you make that more likely to get shut down. Hotlinking is considered uncouth by many.
Look, you obviously got enough out of the post to enjoy it. Therefor, the post worked. That it could have been better is not in contention, but your post hoc justification of snarky bullshit assumes an audience so spoiled that their bleating is justified when not everything is spoonfed to them. And that most of the posts have been meta reflects the unfortunate descent of the poster into tit-for-tat, not the ultimate rightness of those complaints. Pretending otherwise is a canard.
posted by klangklangston at 1:44 PM on January 13, 2007
I didn't know Momus from Shmomus. But. I found the link. I listened to the mix. I liked it.
Even I didn't what's the big deal?
Vronsky don't worry about it, bro.
posted by tkchrist at 2:17 PM on January 13, 2007
Even I didn't what's the big deal?
Vronsky don't worry about it, bro.
posted by tkchrist at 2:17 PM on January 13, 2007
I loved his early stuff with Mort Shulman.
This mixtape? Not so much.
posted by PeterMcDermott at 2:39 PM on January 13, 2007
This mixtape? Not so much.
posted by PeterMcDermott at 2:39 PM on January 13, 2007
I think I'm about to have another one for the deleted thread blog. You people keep me busy.
The deleted thread blog! OMG! I so want to post this to the FP just to see if time and space will collapse.
posted by jokeefe at 4:19 PM on January 13, 2007
The deleted thread blog! OMG! I so want to post this to the FP just to see if time and space will collapse.
posted by jokeefe at 4:19 PM on January 13, 2007
MOMUS:
a. The Greek god of censure and ridicule, who was banished from Olympus for his criticisms of the gods b. A person who habitually grumbles or finds fault, a carping critic.
Heh.
posted by fixedgear at 4:50 AM on January 14, 2007 [1 favorite]
a. The Greek god of censure and ridicule, who was banished from Olympus for his criticisms of the gods b. A person who habitually grumbles or finds fault, a carping critic.
Heh.
posted by fixedgear at 4:50 AM on January 14, 2007 [1 favorite]
Momus mixtape? Ahh... have you read the journal entry, vronsky? This piece is from a radio show put together by Jona Bechtolt. There's one Momus track on it, and that's the extent of his involvement... Apart from posting it in his LiveJournal.
A bit of proper attribution might be in order.
posted by jodrell banksmeadow at 10:04 AM on January 14, 2007 [1 favorite]
A bit of proper attribution might be in order.
posted by jodrell banksmeadow at 10:04 AM on January 14, 2007 [1 favorite]
Thanks, fixedgear. That's why my cat is named Momus. Heard of, but never heard, Momus the music. And yeah:
Heh.
posted by zoinks at 2:25 PM on January 14, 2007
Heh.
posted by zoinks at 2:25 PM on January 14, 2007
Vronsky don't worry about it, bro.
Thanks tkchrist - that short essay on boxing you posted was one of the best little reads ever posted to mefi.
You should check out Joyce Carol Oates "On Boxing".
posted by vronsky at 3:49 PM on January 14, 2007
Thanks tkchrist - that short essay on boxing you posted was one of the best little reads ever posted to mefi.
You should check out Joyce Carol Oates "On Boxing".
posted by vronsky at 3:49 PM on January 14, 2007
Vronsky don't worry about it, bro.
vronsky referes to him/herself in the third person?
posted by fixedgear at 5:45 PM on January 14, 2007
vronsky referes to him/herself in the third person?
posted by fixedgear at 5:45 PM on January 14, 2007
The best thing ever posted to the web?
I've seen free pr0n that was far better, and wasn't nearly so costly in bandwidth.
The Momus Mixtape of course.
Mixtape? Where's the 'mix' in this 'tape'? I'll ignore the missing tape. I hear nothing more than a series of tracks of varying genre and quality.
This music will do things to your brain. Good things.
Sleep is good, if you need it. But I slept good last night, so, no, nothing 'good' was done to my brain.
You may cream your jeans.
At least you closed with the same hyperbole with which you opened.
The post is indeed bad. The so-called "mixtape" was at least a little better, but not 83MB worth. But the post was so bad, I had to hear the 'mixtape' so I could comment truthfully.
posted by Goofyy at 6:27 AM on January 15, 2007
I've seen free pr0n that was far better, and wasn't nearly so costly in bandwidth.
The Momus Mixtape of course.
Mixtape? Where's the 'mix' in this 'tape'? I'll ignore the missing tape. I hear nothing more than a series of tracks of varying genre and quality.
This music will do things to your brain. Good things.
Sleep is good, if you need it. But I slept good last night, so, no, nothing 'good' was done to my brain.
You may cream your jeans.
At least you closed with the same hyperbole with which you opened.
The post is indeed bad. The so-called "mixtape" was at least a little better, but not 83MB worth. But the post was so bad, I had to hear the 'mixtape' so I could comment truthfully.
posted by Goofyy at 6:27 AM on January 15, 2007
Let me guess Goofyy - you are one of those people who find really deep themes and meanings in Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Am I right?
posted by vronsky at 1:17 PM on January 15, 2007
posted by vronsky at 1:17 PM on January 15, 2007
vronsky: I bet you rode the short bus to school. Am I right?
Funny thing, I have never watched an entire episode of Buffy.
But you know, go ahead and insult me, in order to cover your own lameitude and ignorance, rather than addressing my points.
And get the fuck off my god damned lawn!
posted by Goofyy at 2:34 AM on January 16, 2007
Funny thing, I have never watched an entire episode of Buffy.
But you know, go ahead and insult me, in order to cover your own lameitude and ignorance, rather than addressing my points.
And get the fuck off my god damned lawn!
posted by Goofyy at 2:34 AM on January 16, 2007
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