Beautiful Losers
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Karen Dalton - It Hurts Me, Too
Tim Buckley - Sally Go 'Round The Roses
Tim Hardin - If I Were A Carpenter
See also
The Other Side Of Greenwich Village 60's Folk Scene - Part 1
and Part 2
more within
Tim Buckley - Sally Go 'Round The Roses
Tim Hardin - If I Were A Carpenter
See also
The Other Side Of Greenwich Village 60's Folk Scene - Part 1
and Part 2
more within
posted by y2karl at 2:09 AM on May 4, 2007
For Fred Neil:
Richie Unterberger on Fred Neil
FredNeil.com
Less flattering to Fred Neil is the section devoted to him in Coffee Houses, Zig-Zags and Bob Dylan
Fred Neil Guitar Tabs
posted by y2karl at 2:10 AM on May 4, 2007
Richie Unterberger on Fred Neil
FredNeil.com
Less flattering to Fred Neil is the section devoted to him in Coffee Houses, Zig-Zags and Bob Dylan
Fred Neil Guitar Tabs
posted by y2karl at 2:10 AM on May 4, 2007
For more Tim Buckley:
Tim Buckley - Song To The Siren
Tim Buckley - Honey Man
Richie Unterberger interview of Buckley collaborator Larry Beckett Part 1 and Part 2
The Tim Buckley Archives
Tim Buckley Guitar Tab and Chords
posted by y2karl at 2:10 AM on May 4, 2007
Tim Buckley - Song To The Siren
Tim Buckley - Honey Man
Richie Unterberger interview of Buckley collaborator Larry Beckett Part 1 and Part 2
The Tim Buckley Archives
Tim Buckley Guitar Tab and Chords
posted by y2karl at 2:10 AM on May 4, 2007
There's still six songs to listen to on this mix before I can put you on y2karl, but you're next.
posted by carsonb at 2:16 AM on May 4, 2007
posted by carsonb at 2:16 AM on May 4, 2007
Karen Dalton's music - her voice, her ability to take an already-familiar song and bend it into something altogether original - is simply sublime. Hearing her sing "Are You Leaving For The Country" for the first time was absolutely heartbreaking. Thank you, y2karl
posted by bunglin jones at 2:36 AM on May 4, 2007
posted by bunglin jones at 2:36 AM on May 4, 2007
From the Junk Media link:
It's amazing to me how many great, obscure recordings like In My Own Time are constantly being dug up and reissued by intrepid labels like Light In the Attic. Do you foresee a time when the well will have run dry? Or in 20 years, will we be seeing reissues of the Greatest MySpace Bands of the 00's!
Greatest Myspace Bands of the 00's! It's infinite, the amount of music out there. In every scene there's always dozens of bands who don't make it and who should have.
That there are people and labels out there dedicated to exposing obscure recordings to a wider audience is just about the best thing ever. Thanks, y2karl!
posted by carsonb at 2:38 AM on May 4, 2007
It's amazing to me how many great, obscure recordings like In My Own Time are constantly being dug up and reissued by intrepid labels like Light In the Attic. Do you foresee a time when the well will have run dry? Or in 20 years, will we be seeing reissues of the Greatest MySpace Bands of the 00's!
Greatest Myspace Bands of the 00's! It's infinite, the amount of music out there. In every scene there's always dozens of bands who don't make it and who should have.
That there are people and labels out there dedicated to exposing obscure recordings to a wider audience is just about the best thing ever. Thanks, y2karl!
posted by carsonb at 2:38 AM on May 4, 2007
And anyone with an interest in Devendra Banhart should be forced to listen to KD. "It Hurts Me Too" sounds like a blueprint for nearly everything he's done.
posted by bunglin jones at 2:42 AM on May 4, 2007
posted by bunglin jones at 2:42 AM on May 4, 2007
And anyone with an interest in Devendra Banhart should be forced to listen to KD.
Funny you should bring him up; I totally got sidetracked on YouTube watching Devendra videos after watching/hearing "It Hurts Me Too".
posted by carsonb at 2:57 AM on May 4, 2007
Funny you should bring him up; I totally got sidetracked on YouTube watching Devendra videos after watching/hearing "It Hurts Me Too".
posted by carsonb at 2:57 AM on May 4, 2007
Cheers for the chords on that one link. Guitar-player snark: they aren't tabs at all.
posted by chuckdarwin at 3:18 AM on May 4, 2007
posted by chuckdarwin at 3:18 AM on May 4, 2007
Didn't Neil record some rockabilly early in his career? I see that he wrote stuff that Budy Holly and Roy Orbison recorded, but I could swear that I've heard him do some himself, but I could be wrong. At any rate he an uncommon feel for both styles.
posted by jonmc at 3:58 AM on May 4, 2007
posted by jonmc at 3:58 AM on May 4, 2007
Rockabilly Fred Neil. I'm not 100% sure it's the same Fred Neil, since none of the linked bios mention these records, but I've heard them and they're not bad.
posted by jonmc at 4:10 AM on May 4, 2007
posted by jonmc at 4:10 AM on May 4, 2007
Karen Dalton's voice kinda reminds me of this modern gal, Joanna Newsom.
But I can't say that I approve. As I get older, and find myself more often in the company of very, very old people, the sound of a young woman singing a a creaky, worn and aged voice is somehow offensive. A young person can't imagine what desolate reaches of time lay ahead, and how much living it takes to righteously earn a voice like that. (Listen to field recordings of Sacred Harp congregations, or the Sacred Harp singing on the Harry Smith Anthology. Those are people who have earned their aged, creaky voices.) Fred Neil used his young voice well. He could sound weary, but never weak.
And here's another thing: Bruce Langhorne is ubiquitous on the folk recordings of that era, and "The Other Side of Greenwich Village" quotes him and pays tribute to his seminality. He deserves our respect for having inspired Dylan's greatest song ("Mr. Tambourine Man"), but what did he himself ever add to a song? As a guitarist, the man was a mere decorator. Langhorne's playing never drove a song, the way a more aggressive accompaniest (geeze, let me think here, Mike Bloomfield?) might push it along. Even at the time, I remember thinking "Man, I wish this guy would quit laying back. He's just along for the ride! Why do they let him on all their records? Is he their dealer? Does he bring really good dope to the sessions?" I maintain that a Bruce Langhorne riff adds nothing to a song. (Okay, maybe Tom Rush's "Urge for Going." He does a nice little upsweep on the strings at regular intervals. But that's about it.)
Real interesting post, karl. Thanks.
posted by Faze at 4:22 AM on May 4, 2007
But I can't say that I approve. As I get older, and find myself more often in the company of very, very old people, the sound of a young woman singing a a creaky, worn and aged voice is somehow offensive. A young person can't imagine what desolate reaches of time lay ahead, and how much living it takes to righteously earn a voice like that. (Listen to field recordings of Sacred Harp congregations, or the Sacred Harp singing on the Harry Smith Anthology. Those are people who have earned their aged, creaky voices.) Fred Neil used his young voice well. He could sound weary, but never weak.
And here's another thing: Bruce Langhorne is ubiquitous on the folk recordings of that era, and "The Other Side of Greenwich Village" quotes him and pays tribute to his seminality. He deserves our respect for having inspired Dylan's greatest song ("Mr. Tambourine Man"), but what did he himself ever add to a song? As a guitarist, the man was a mere decorator. Langhorne's playing never drove a song, the way a more aggressive accompaniest (geeze, let me think here, Mike Bloomfield?) might push it along. Even at the time, I remember thinking "Man, I wish this guy would quit laying back. He's just along for the ride! Why do they let him on all their records? Is he their dealer? Does he bring really good dope to the sessions?" I maintain that a Bruce Langhorne riff adds nothing to a song. (Okay, maybe Tom Rush's "Urge for Going." He does a nice little upsweep on the strings at regular intervals. But that's about it.)
Real interesting post, karl. Thanks.
posted by Faze at 4:22 AM on May 4, 2007
> the sound of a young woman singing a a creaky, worn and aged voice is somehow offensive.
And way too often used in service of wallowing in self-pity. Nobody's immune to this but it's notoriously a disease of rebellious teenagers and delayed adolescents. A young person singing in that kind of voice just shouts self-absorbed poser. Viz. Bonnie Tyler, "It's a Heartache"; viz Marianne Faithful's weepy adolescence, prolonged from "As Tears Go By" to Broken English. Sob sisters.
posted by jfuller at 4:47 AM on May 4, 2007
And way too often used in service of wallowing in self-pity. Nobody's immune to this but it's notoriously a disease of rebellious teenagers and delayed adolescents. A young person singing in that kind of voice just shouts self-absorbed poser. Viz. Bonnie Tyler, "It's a Heartache"; viz Marianne Faithful's weepy adolescence, prolonged from "As Tears Go By" to Broken English. Sob sisters.
posted by jfuller at 4:47 AM on May 4, 2007
Langhorne's playing never drove a song, the way a more aggressive accompaniest (geeze, let me think here, Mike Bloomfield?)
Faze, with all do respect, that's a bit like comparing Joe DiMaggio to Willie Mays. Yeah, they're both outfielders but they played their positions in completely different. But they were both great outfielders. Just like Langhorne and Bloomfield were both great at what they did, just completely different.
posted by jonmc at 4:49 AM on May 4, 2007
Faze, with all do respect, that's a bit like comparing Joe DiMaggio to Willie Mays. Yeah, they're both outfielders but they played their positions in completely different. But they were both great outfielders. Just like Langhorne and Bloomfield were both great at what they did, just completely different.
posted by jonmc at 4:49 AM on May 4, 2007
A young person singing in that kind of voice just shouts self-absorbed poser.
And John Lennon was 28 when he wrote In My Life. What did he know ? What a fake song. What a poser.
posted by y2karl at 4:55 AM on May 4, 2007 [1 favorite]
And John Lennon was 28 when he wrote In My Life. What did he know ? What a fake song. What a poser.
posted by y2karl at 4:55 AM on May 4, 2007 [1 favorite]
'due respect' and 'in completely different styles,' dammit. I need coffee.
posted by jonmc at 4:56 AM on May 4, 2007
posted by jonmc at 4:56 AM on May 4, 2007
Y2Karl, could you do the same for Karen Carpenter? If you take requests, I mean...
(*shouting from back of room*: "Karen Carpenter! Karen Carpenter!")
posted by MinPin at 4:57 AM on May 4, 2007
(*shouting from back of room*: "Karen Carpenter! Karen Carpenter!")
posted by MinPin at 4:57 AM on May 4, 2007
A young person can't imagine what desolate reaches of time lay ahead, and how much living it takes to righteously earn a voice like that.
Unless, of course, they smoke. Just sayin'.
posted by jonmc at 5:05 AM on May 4, 2007
Unless, of course, they smoke. Just sayin'.
posted by jonmc at 5:05 AM on May 4, 2007
Oh, dear. Didn't we already debate 'authenticity' and music?
posted by chuckdarwin at 5:20 AM on May 4, 2007
posted by chuckdarwin at 5:20 AM on May 4, 2007
jfuller writes: A young person singing in that kind of voice just shouts self-absorbed poser.
y2karl responds: And John Lennon was 28 when he wrote In My Life. What did he know ? What a fake song. What a poser.
It should perhaps be noted that jfuller was talking about a quality of voice, and y2karl is pointing to lyrics. Two completely different things. I can understand jfuller's point, and it's worth mentioning here that Lennon didn't sing In My Life in any sort of affected 'old person's' voice. He sounded like the 28-year-old that he was. I'd also maintain that the lyrics to in My Life are not entirely inappropriate or unimaginable as the ruminations of a 28-year-old. I mean, sure, 28 is young, but it ain't that young.
I must say I too find Dalton's creaky voice just a wee bit affected, and more than a wee bit of a too-close-for-comfort imitation of Billie Holiday's.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 5:22 AM on May 4, 2007
y2karl responds: And John Lennon was 28 when he wrote In My Life. What did he know ? What a fake song. What a poser.
It should perhaps be noted that jfuller was talking about a quality of voice, and y2karl is pointing to lyrics. Two completely different things. I can understand jfuller's point, and it's worth mentioning here that Lennon didn't sing In My Life in any sort of affected 'old person's' voice. He sounded like the 28-year-old that he was. I'd also maintain that the lyrics to in My Life are not entirely inappropriate or unimaginable as the ruminations of a 28-year-old. I mean, sure, 28 is young, but it ain't that young.
I must say I too find Dalton's creaky voice just a wee bit affected, and more than a wee bit of a too-close-for-comfort imitation of Billie Holiday's.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 5:22 AM on May 4, 2007
I must say I too find Dalton's creaky voice just a wee bit affected,
Is that always a bad thing? John Fogerty's southern accent is a complete affectation, but you can't have my copy of Willie & The Poorboys.
posted by jonmc at 5:31 AM on May 4, 2007
Is that always a bad thing? John Fogerty's southern accent is a complete affectation, but you can't have my copy of Willie & The Poorboys.
posted by jonmc at 5:31 AM on May 4, 2007
> And John Lennon was 28 when he wrote In My Life. What did he know ? What a fake song. What a poser.
What an un-telling example, y2. There's nothing remotely self-pitying about "In My Life." It begins with a slight wistfulness and ends with forward-looking courage and optimism. Also it's sung in Lennon's normal voice, not anything croaky and faux-high-mileage. Nor even (as jon correctly points out) synthetically aged by whiskey and cigarettes (which anyway doesn't argue a whole bunch of wisdom.)
What's more, as the ^ article says (at this moment, anyway though any second it may say 09-f9-11-02-9d-74-e3-5b-d8-41-56-c5-63)
Lennon wrote the song in the form of a long poem reminiscing on his childhood/teenage years. The original version of the lyrics was based on a bus route he used to take in Liverpool, naming various sites seen along the way, including Penny Lane and Strawberry Field. Finding this version too sentimental and nostalgic, Lennon reworked the words with McCartney, replacing the specific memories with a generalized meditation on his past. "Very few lines" of the original version remain in the finished song.
Let's credit John with knowing when he needed a re-write, an editor, and a general pointing, tightening up, and squeezing the juice out. Whatever did I say that made you think of "In My Life?"
posted by jfuller at 5:33 AM on May 4, 2007
What an un-telling example, y2. There's nothing remotely self-pitying about "In My Life." It begins with a slight wistfulness and ends with forward-looking courage and optimism. Also it's sung in Lennon's normal voice, not anything croaky and faux-high-mileage. Nor even (as jon correctly points out) synthetically aged by whiskey and cigarettes (which anyway doesn't argue a whole bunch of wisdom.)
What's more, as the ^ article says (at this moment, anyway though any second it may say 09-f9-11-02-9d-74-e3-5b-d8-41-56-c5-63)
Lennon wrote the song in the form of a long poem reminiscing on his childhood/teenage years. The original version of the lyrics was based on a bus route he used to take in Liverpool, naming various sites seen along the way, including Penny Lane and Strawberry Field. Finding this version too sentimental and nostalgic, Lennon reworked the words with McCartney, replacing the specific memories with a generalized meditation on his past. "Very few lines" of the original version remain in the finished song.
Let's credit John with knowing when he needed a re-write, an editor, and a general pointing, tightening up, and squeezing the juice out. Whatever did I say that made you think of "In My Life?"
posted by jfuller at 5:33 AM on May 4, 2007
Of course, that voice can also be achieved by spending an awful lot of time screaming very loud and very hard. See: Rollins, Henry.
posted by Pope Guilty at 5:34 AM on May 4, 2007
posted by Pope Guilty at 5:34 AM on May 4, 2007
Viz. Bonnie Tyler, "It's a Heartache"
In all fairness to Ms. Tyler, from Wikipedia:
Prior to [her first] album's release, Tyler underwent surgery to remove nodules on her vocal cords. Against her doctor's orders, she spoke before she had healed, resulting in her singing voice taking on a raspy quality. At first, this made Tyler believe her singing career was over. As it turned out, her next single, It's a Heartache, peaked at #4 on the UK charts in December 1977 and went to #3 on the US pop charts.
You can't really call her voice an affectation, on account of the vocal cord damage.
posted by Faint of Butt at 5:37 AM on May 4, 2007
In all fairness to Ms. Tyler, from Wikipedia:
Prior to [her first] album's release, Tyler underwent surgery to remove nodules on her vocal cords. Against her doctor's orders, she spoke before she had healed, resulting in her singing voice taking on a raspy quality. At first, this made Tyler believe her singing career was over. As it turned out, her next single, It's a Heartache, peaked at #4 on the UK charts in December 1977 and went to #3 on the US pop charts.
You can't really call her voice an affectation, on account of the vocal cord damage.
posted by Faint of Butt at 5:37 AM on May 4, 2007
Dalton's Something On My Mind is a favorite track of mine.
For those interested, at the Stefan Wirz discography linked above, there is, among other selections, a RealAudio clip of Something On Your Mind.
Oh, dear. Didn't we already debate 'authenticity' and music?
Not to mention Your Favorite Band Sucks...
posted by y2karl at 5:38 AM on May 4, 2007
For those interested, at the Stefan Wirz discography linked above, there is, among other selections, a RealAudio clip of Something On Your Mind.
Oh, dear. Didn't we already debate 'authenticity' and music?
Not to mention Your Favorite Band Sucks...
posted by y2karl at 5:38 AM on May 4, 2007
Is that always a bad thing?
Actually, no, jonmc, it's not, and I think that's why I sort of modified my comment with the use of the word "wee". And I agree 100% with your Fogerty point. Fogerty kicked total ass with his "affected" voice!
Not to mention Your Favorite Band Sucks...
So defensive! Discussions about the whys and where-to-fors about why people like and don't like certain artists can be interesting, no Are we all supposed to either just say "great post y2karl" or just shut up? Nobody said "Your Favorite Band Sucks", by the way. They simply chimed in with their own opinions about the subject of your post. Something wrong with that?
posted by flapjax at midnite at 5:49 AM on May 4, 2007
Actually, no, jonmc, it's not, and I think that's why I sort of modified my comment with the use of the word "wee". And I agree 100% with your Fogerty point. Fogerty kicked total ass with his "affected" voice!
Not to mention Your Favorite Band Sucks...
So defensive! Discussions about the whys and where-to-fors about why people like and don't like certain artists can be interesting, no Are we all supposed to either just say "great post y2karl" or just shut up? Nobody said "Your Favorite Band Sucks", by the way. They simply chimed in with their own opinions about the subject of your post. Something wrong with that?
posted by flapjax at midnite at 5:49 AM on May 4, 2007
Whoops. "can be interesting, no" = "can be interesting, no?"
posted by flapjax at midnite at 5:57 AM on May 4, 2007
posted by flapjax at midnite at 5:57 AM on May 4, 2007
Oops, forgot to add this:
Dino Valente
Dino Valenti
Dino Valente by Ben Fong-Torres
Dino Valenti 'The Beginning'
posted by y2karl at 5:59 AM on May 4, 2007
Dino Valente
Dino Valenti
Dino Valente by Ben Fong-Torres
Dino Valenti 'The Beginning'
posted by y2karl at 5:59 AM on May 4, 2007
(oh yeah, karl, what's the verdict on those late fifties rockabilly Fred Neils? Same guy? If anybody would know, you would.)
posted by jonmc at 6:00 AM on May 4, 2007
posted by jonmc at 6:00 AM on May 4, 2007
An idle thought: one common link between nearly all the artists linked is heroin. Dalton, Hardin, Buckley's deaths were all drug related. Hardin and Buckley overdosed and I recall reading somewhere that Dalton died of IV contracted AIDS. A number of the Hardin and Buckley links discuss the drug experience aspect to their work. Dalton's slurred delivery links to heroin and Billie Holiday and one wonders which came first. imitation or emulation. Certainly if one were to play Dalton for the first time for the average person and then comment that she was also a heroin addict, the most likely response might be a Yeah, ya think ? Affected or not, I liked her at the time then and her at times now. Her I Love You More Than Words Can Say I still like.
Another strike against her would have to be that Phoebe Snow would not have been possible without her, I suppose.
posted by y2karl at 6:20 AM on May 4, 2007
Another strike against her would have to be that Phoebe Snow would not have been possible without her, I suppose.
posted by y2karl at 6:20 AM on May 4, 2007
jonmc, in y2karl's last OP link, it says,
He released some singles in various styles, mostly in rockabilly-pop mould, sometimes credited as Freddie Neil.
posted by Kirth Gerson at 6:27 AM on May 4, 2007
He released some singles in various styles, mostly in rockabilly-pop mould, sometimes credited as Freddie Neil.
posted by Kirth Gerson at 6:27 AM on May 4, 2007
Dalton, Hardin, Buckley's deaths were all drug related. Hardin and Buckley overdosed
Jim Morrison's protege Denny Sugerman says in his autobiography that when Morrison found out that he (Sugerman) was dabbling in heroin, he took the kid to see a smacked out Hardin in a hotel room as a warning. How far gone do you have to be for a pathetic drunk like Morrison to say 'wow, you need to slow down."
posted by jonmc at 6:33 AM on May 4, 2007
Jim Morrison's protege Denny Sugerman says in his autobiography that when Morrison found out that he (Sugerman) was dabbling in heroin, he took the kid to see a smacked out Hardin in a hotel room as a warning. How far gone do you have to be for a pathetic drunk like Morrison to say 'wow, you need to slow down."
posted by jonmc at 6:33 AM on May 4, 2007
If you've never heard it, find a copy of "Voodoo Queen Marie" (or is it just "Queen Marie") by the Holy Modal Rounders (I believe it's on Alleged in Their Own Time) - it's one of my all-time favorite Karen Dalton performances, and a beautifully mysterious song.
posted by SmileyChewtrain at 6:42 AM on May 4, 2007
posted by SmileyChewtrain at 6:42 AM on May 4, 2007
Others from the same era who aren't mentioned (some were not in the Greenwich village scene):
Judy Roderick
Dick Rosmini
Spider John Koerner
Geoff Muldaur
Mimi & Richard Farina (He's mentioned in the 'Other side article, but really started making great music when he teamed with Mimi.) Here's a video.
posted by Kirth Gerson at 7:28 AM on May 4, 2007
Judy Roderick
Dick Rosmini
Spider John Koerner
Geoff Muldaur
Mimi & Richard Farina (He's mentioned in the 'Other side article, but really started making great music when he teamed with Mimi.) Here's a video.
posted by Kirth Gerson at 7:28 AM on May 4, 2007
If you've never heard it, find a copy of "Voodoo Queen Marie" (or is it just "Queen Marie") by the Holy Modal Rounders (I believe it's on Alleged in Their Own Time) - it's one of my all-time favorite Karen Dalton performances, and a beautifully mysterious song.
Yes, it is on Alleged. Now THAT needs a reissue.
posted by snofoam at 7:36 AM on May 4, 2007
Yes, it is on Alleged. Now THAT needs a reissue.
posted by snofoam at 7:36 AM on May 4, 2007
the sound of a young woman singing a a creaky, worn and aged voice is somehow offensive.
like janis joplin right? ... or, if we want to include guys, how about neil young and rod stewart?
as for myself, dalton sounds like she's imitating billie ... and, well, i've heard better versions ...
posted by pyramid termite at 9:04 AM on May 4, 2007
like janis joplin right? ... or, if we want to include guys, how about neil young and rod stewart?
as for myself, dalton sounds like she's imitating billie ... and, well, i've heard better versions ...
posted by pyramid termite at 9:04 AM on May 4, 2007
...the sound of a young woman singing a a creaky, worn and aged voice is somehow offensive.
Well, what came to mind was Dylan's version of Roscoe Holcomb's Moonshiner: mp3. He was reknowned and sometimes knocked for sounding older than his years. But then, singing a lyric is something akin to acting. But tastes differ. Go figure.
posted by y2karl at 12:04 PM on May 4, 2007 [1 favorite]
Well, what came to mind was Dylan's version of Roscoe Holcomb's Moonshiner: mp3. He was reknowned and sometimes knocked for sounding older than his years. But then, singing a lyric is something akin to acting. But tastes differ. Go figure.
posted by y2karl at 12:04 PM on May 4, 2007 [1 favorite]
karl -- as I say, the taste for young people singing like 90 year olds proportionately diminishes for me as the number of actual 90 year olds I know increases. I used to love creaky young Dylan and Buffy St. Marie and the other young creakers when I was young myself.
posted by Faze at 5:35 PM on May 4, 2007
posted by Faze at 5:35 PM on May 4, 2007
As compared to the present creaky old Dylan ? Yeesh. And, given the example provided, he could only wish he could sing like that now. That is one of his better efforts ever.
posted by y2karl at 6:35 PM on May 4, 2007
posted by y2karl at 6:35 PM on May 4, 2007
Dear y2karl - this was a great post; thanks for introducing me to some very good music. Don't mind these plate-of-beans-overthinkers; many of us really enjoyed these links without comparing anything to anything.
Music is ageless; it speaks for itself.
posted by chuckdarwin at 3:04 AM on May 5, 2007
Music is ageless; it speaks for itself.
posted by chuckdarwin at 3:04 AM on May 5, 2007
Don't mind these plate-of-beans-overthinkers; many of us really enjoyed these links without comparing anything to anything.
Yeah, jeezis, what are all these people on about, really? Expressing and sharing opinions on music? What a nerve these people have! At least chuckdarwin knows what's what!
Oh, and pass the beans, please. I've got some serious overthinking to do.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 5:30 PM on May 5, 2007
Yeah, jeezis, what are all these people on about, really? Expressing and sharing opinions on music? What a nerve these people have! At least chuckdarwin knows what's what!
Oh, and pass the beans, please. I've got some serious overthinking to do.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 5:30 PM on May 5, 2007
ooh "Beautiful Losers", poignant post title. Enjoyed reading the article you linked about the other side of the Village folk scene. It explained a lot to me, questions I'd never been able to articulate were answered.
Cannot believe I've never heard of Karen Dalton before. wow, What a voice! And wonderful guitar playing. Couldn't help asking immediately what happened to her? Why wasn't she famous? And looked for answers in your links: Although Dalton was in the right place at the right time, hanging with the right people and boasted a rare talent, she was also self-destructive. She drank heavily, used drugs and had a tendency to disappear on a whim. She played only cover versions, and her decision to not play her own material in an era that belonged to singer-songwriters perhaps also hindered her success. She was uncomfortable performing live, and she also loathed recording..."
shit, "By the early 90s Dalton was living on the streets of New York...And so she went back to New York and died on the streets a year later."
Tragic story. Beautiful loser is sadly apt.
Tim Hardin's If I Were A Carpenter is one of my all time faves. His "Reason To Believe" too.
shit, didn't know this about him: Hardin did not tour in support of this album and a heroin addiction and stage fright made his live performances erratic.
Damn, now I get the beautiful losers title.
Great listening and learning y2karl, thanks so much.
posted by nickyskye at 5:45 PM on May 5, 2007
Cannot believe I've never heard of Karen Dalton before. wow, What a voice! And wonderful guitar playing. Couldn't help asking immediately what happened to her? Why wasn't she famous? And looked for answers in your links: Although Dalton was in the right place at the right time, hanging with the right people and boasted a rare talent, she was also self-destructive. She drank heavily, used drugs and had a tendency to disappear on a whim. She played only cover versions, and her decision to not play her own material in an era that belonged to singer-songwriters perhaps also hindered her success. She was uncomfortable performing live, and she also loathed recording..."
shit, "By the early 90s Dalton was living on the streets of New York...And so she went back to New York and died on the streets a year later."
Tragic story. Beautiful loser is sadly apt.
Tim Hardin's If I Were A Carpenter is one of my all time faves. His "Reason To Believe" too.
shit, didn't know this about him: Hardin did not tour in support of this album and a heroin addiction and stage fright made his live performances erratic.
Damn, now I get the beautiful losers title.
Great listening and learning y2karl, thanks so much.
posted by nickyskye at 5:45 PM on May 5, 2007
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