The Great Schlep
September 26, 2008 5:34 PM Subscribe
The Great Schlep. Sarah Silverman explains why you should get your fat Jewish ass on a plane to Florida to convince your grandparents to vote for Obama.
I saw this a couple days ago and thought it was quite funny and insightful. I wish her luck in helping to bring Florida to some semblance of sanity.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 5:39 PM on September 26, 2008
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 5:39 PM on September 26, 2008
I am wondering if I saw the right video. She sings a song to old people that says they are going to die soon. Is that the right one? If it is, I didn't hear any mention of Obama in there.
This post is gonna die soon methinks.
posted by a3matrix at 5:41 PM on September 26, 2008
This post is gonna die soon methinks.
posted by a3matrix at 5:41 PM on September 26, 2008
Dupe from a comment I can't bother finding. If the first URL was correct it would have been caught.
posted by GuyZero at 5:43 PM on September 26, 2008
posted by GuyZero at 5:43 PM on September 26, 2008
Dammit! I f'd up the link, sorry! Thanks ColdChef.
posted by tristeza at 5:52 PM on September 26, 2008
posted by tristeza at 5:52 PM on September 26, 2008
Will every celebrity who supports Obama please shut up? "You're Gonna Die Soon" came very close to losing Obama one critical Ohio vote -- mine.
posted by Faze at 6:31 PM on September 26, 2008
posted by Faze at 6:31 PM on September 26, 2008
Faze, why would the opines and antics of a celebrity determine your vote? I'd hope you base your vote on the actual candidate and their position - not those of an entertainer.
posted by matty at 6:41 PM on September 26, 2008 [5 favorites]
posted by matty at 6:41 PM on September 26, 2008 [5 favorites]
Faze - what? I'm lost - you almost chose not to vote for Obama because of a clip from the Sarah Silverman Program about a nursing home? I'm confused.
posted by tristeza at 6:42 PM on September 26, 2008 [1 favorite]
posted by tristeza at 6:42 PM on September 26, 2008 [1 favorite]
Also, for the record, fuck Ohio, Florida, and every other "swing state" wherein the votes of jerkoffs who can't make up their minds, count more than mine.
posted by danny the boy at 6:49 PM on September 26, 2008 [7 favorites]
posted by danny the boy at 6:49 PM on September 26, 2008 [7 favorites]
That "You're Gonna Die Soon" thing is like a year and a half old, and has no link to Obama at all; tristeza (I'm pretty sure) just put it on there as an example of other Sarah Silverman material. So let's not all go changin' our votes just yet, huh?
posted by penduluum at 6:53 PM on September 26, 2008
posted by penduluum at 6:53 PM on September 26, 2008
I doubt Obama is "the goodest we've ever had run", depending upon what you mean. Jimmy Carter was a really very nice person. Obama seems more qualified than Carter. Very cute clip regardless.
posted by jeffburdges at 6:57 PM on September 26, 2008
posted by jeffburdges at 6:57 PM on September 26, 2008
Obama is good. Better than Kennedy? Better than Roosevelt?
posted by DU at 7:37 PM on September 26, 2008
posted by DU at 7:37 PM on September 26, 2008
That Sarah, she's so trangressive. chuckle.
posted by longsleeves at 7:38 PM on September 26, 2008
posted by longsleeves at 7:38 PM on September 26, 2008
Yeah, I can't figure out why she wants to have sex with me so badly.
posted by Smedleyman at 7:57 PM on September 26, 2008
posted by Smedleyman at 7:57 PM on September 26, 2008
I do wish entertainers would keep out of politics. Regardless of their affiliation. Finding out who they support/despise never makes their work more enjoyable for me.
posted by hjo3 at 8:22 PM on September 26, 2008
posted by hjo3 at 8:22 PM on September 26, 2008
I hope I never find out what candidate Jon Stewart supports- it would ruin the Daily Show for me.
posted by potch at 8:25 PM on September 26, 2008 [6 favorites]
posted by potch at 8:25 PM on September 26, 2008 [6 favorites]
Note to Sarah: I got bad news fopr you. My lin-laws are coming up from Florida to stay with us!
But fret not. They are Obama fans and Jewish.
posted by Postroad at 8:35 PM on September 26, 2008 [1 favorite]
But fret not. They are Obama fans and Jewish.
posted by Postroad at 8:35 PM on September 26, 2008 [1 favorite]
I do wish entertainers would keep out of politics.
Would you please humor me and explain why this is? I've never understood why people have such a visceral reaction against celebrities expressing political views. Do you hate it when anyone expresses a political view, or just a celebrity? I can understand not letting celebrity endorsements color your views, but why get pissed that they have views and express them?
posted by lunasol at 9:04 PM on September 26, 2008 [4 favorites]
Would you please humor me and explain why this is? I've never understood why people have such a visceral reaction against celebrities expressing political views. Do you hate it when anyone expresses a political view, or just a celebrity? I can understand not letting celebrity endorsements color your views, but why get pissed that they have views and express them?
posted by lunasol at 9:04 PM on September 26, 2008 [4 favorites]
I am voting for Obama DESPITE Sarah Silverman. That woman's as funny as cancer.
posted by BitterOldPunk at 9:16 PM on September 26, 2008 [8 favorites]
posted by BitterOldPunk at 9:16 PM on September 26, 2008 [8 favorites]
Methinks Faze's other handle is "Concern Troll."
posted by bardic at 9:33 PM on September 26, 2008 [2 favorites]
posted by bardic at 9:33 PM on September 26, 2008 [2 favorites]
I am so so tired of Sarah Silverman, but this was good and funny. Supposing you were in her target audience, why would a well thought-out opinion expressed in an entertaining way NOT stand a chance of swaying you?
And actually, for those who didn't bother to watch it, she's not asking YOU, the viewer, to change your opinion at all. She's asking people who already back Obama to talk to their grandparents about why THEY should look past their racial prejudices and back Obama too.
if my grandparents lived in Florida, were Jewish, and were living, I would be planning a trip now.
posted by drjimmy11 at 9:59 PM on September 26, 2008
And actually, for those who didn't bother to watch it, she's not asking YOU, the viewer, to change your opinion at all. She's asking people who already back Obama to talk to their grandparents about why THEY should look past their racial prejudices and back Obama too.
if my grandparents lived in Florida, were Jewish, and were living, I would be planning a trip now.
posted by drjimmy11 at 9:59 PM on September 26, 2008
I do wish entertainers would keep out of politics.
Yeah, awesome opinion! Couldn't agree more! While we're at it, can we amend the Constitution so anyone in the entertainment industry only counts as 3/5ths of a person?
posted by drjimmy11 at 10:01 PM on September 26, 2008 [3 favorites]
Yeah, awesome opinion! Couldn't agree more! While we're at it, can we amend the Constitution so anyone in the entertainment industry only counts as 3/5ths of a person?
posted by drjimmy11 at 10:01 PM on September 26, 2008 [3 favorites]
I liked a lot of her stand-up act, but this ""You're Gonna Die Soon" thing is way over the top, just plain mean, and in poor taste. Come on.
posted by Seekerofsplendor at 10:14 PM on September 26, 2008
posted by Seekerofsplendor at 10:14 PM on September 26, 2008
Funny and insightful? Really? I find that Sarah Silverman's race oriented stuff (her specialty it seems) is invariably not funny and particularly uninsightful. As far as the reaction against entertainers in politics, I think it has a lot to do with a distaste for uninsightful people who believe that they're actually worthy of the influence they have on people who are themselves lacking insight, combined with a worthy contempt for the latter.
posted by farmdoggie at 10:32 PM on September 26, 2008
posted by farmdoggie at 10:32 PM on September 26, 2008
Actually, I don't like most of her stuff that I've seen, never have - but I liked most of this.
Now when are we abolishing the electoral college?
posted by bitterkitten at 10:39 PM on September 26, 2008 [1 favorite]
Now when are we abolishing the electoral college?
posted by bitterkitten at 10:39 PM on September 26, 2008 [1 favorite]
hjo3: I do wish entertainers would keep out of politics. Regardless of their affiliation. Finding out who they support/despise never makes their work more enjoyable for me.
It works differently for me. Being anti-bush or anti-war is worth a lot, particularly if they do so loudly (Green Day improved my opinion of them dramatically lately.) On the other hand, being pro-bush or pro-war is enough to make me dislike them immensely and probably stop supporting them in any way.
posted by Mitrovarr at 11:41 PM on September 26, 2008
It works differently for me. Being anti-bush or anti-war is worth a lot, particularly if they do so loudly (Green Day improved my opinion of them dramatically lately.) On the other hand, being pro-bush or pro-war is enough to make me dislike them immensely and probably stop supporting them in any way.
posted by Mitrovarr at 11:41 PM on September 26, 2008
I don't think it's a good idea to put around the notion that if Obama loses, it'll be because it all came down to a bunch of racist old Jews in Florida.
posted by L.P. Hatecraft at 11:48 PM on September 26, 2008 [1 favorite]
posted by L.P. Hatecraft at 11:48 PM on September 26, 2008 [1 favorite]
Damn straight. If Obama looses it will be because of the combined racism of all America.
posted by Artw at 11:55 PM on September 26, 2008
posted by Artw at 11:55 PM on September 26, 2008
lunasol -- Actually, forget I said anything. Any time I express an opinion here some idiot has to bash it. I don't want to spend all my time defending myself.
posted by hjo3 at 11:59 PM on September 26, 2008
posted by hjo3 at 11:59 PM on September 26, 2008
Florida does look like it could fuck Al Gore, if Florida stiffens and rises when excited. Watch out Bahamas when you hear the sexy wawaboombah music coming from the other room.
posted by TimTypeZed at 12:10 AM on September 27, 2008
posted by TimTypeZed at 12:10 AM on September 27, 2008
You know how when your dad was laughing his ass off at Foster Brooks, and you're like I get it, and it was funny for a minute, but is this all he does?
That's what our kids are gonna think about Sarah Silverman.
posted by Lentrohamsanin at 3:23 AM on September 27, 2008 [2 favorites]
That's what our kids are gonna think about Sarah Silverman.
posted by Lentrohamsanin at 3:23 AM on September 27, 2008 [2 favorites]
Actually, all of my grandparents did live in Florida, and if any of them were still alive today they would totally not vote for Obama for the reasons you expect. But they were Jewish grandparents, and I couldn't even convince them to stop stealing napkin dispensers from restaurants, so I don't know how I would've convinced them to stop hating black people for long enough to vote for one.
posted by 1adam12 at 4:03 AM on September 27, 2008 [2 favorites]
posted by 1adam12 at 4:03 AM on September 27, 2008 [2 favorites]
There's no way the Palestine-loving half-Muslim Schwarze whose Church thinks Farrakhan is a great guy is going to carry Florida, I'm sorry. but it's silly to blame the Jews -- Obama hasn't even pledged to invade liberate Cuba and drink Fidel Castro's cancer-ridden blood live on Fox News.
so there's no way, really. the Democrats barely carried Florida in 2000 (then the SCOTUS did what it did, OK), and Gore is much whiter than Obama and Lieberman's much more Jewish than Obama.
also, Silverman's really annoying.
posted by matteo at 4:37 AM on September 27, 2008
so there's no way, really. the Democrats barely carried Florida in 2000 (then the SCOTUS did what it did, OK), and Gore is much whiter than Obama and Lieberman's much more Jewish than Obama.
also, Silverman's really annoying.
posted by matteo at 4:37 AM on September 27, 2008
1. I considered posting this yesterday because it's outrageously funny and irreverent, but thought for sure it'd fail the SLYT politics-filter test.
2. Goddam, she's hawt. (boyzone -- sorry ladies.)
3. There's video of Sarah Palin praying with a minister who has just remarked that the financial problems in America are of Jewish origin. While a Sarah Silverman video might not do the trick for Fla. Jews, the "other" Sarah's video might, if it gets out there.
posted by Devils Rancher at 4:48 AM on September 27, 2008
2. Goddam, she's hawt. (boyzone -- sorry ladies.)
3. There's video of Sarah Palin praying with a minister who has just remarked that the financial problems in America are of Jewish origin. While a Sarah Silverman video might not do the trick for Fla. Jews, the "other" Sarah's video might, if it gets out there.
posted by Devils Rancher at 4:48 AM on September 27, 2008
I do wish entertainers would keep out of politics.
Entertainers aren't any brighter than bus drivers are and they don't know any more about politics than bus drivers do, but bus drivers don't have a large adoring audience ready to be swayed by their fantastically good looks. If that's the particular thing that bothers you about entertainers and politics -- that swaying breasts might be swaying breasts and help to give someone a great big election -- I see your point.
On the other hand, most of the time entertainers back Democrats -- or is this (ha!) confirmation bias? -- so it doesn't really bother me personally. If you're no Democrat, though, I could understand your aggravation.
On the the other other hand hand, if you are a Republican, maybe you should listen to your favorite entertainers and switch parties, because I bet your favorite entertainers are brilliant. Unless your favorite entertainers are Bruce Willis, Kid Rock, Ted Nugent, and Charlie Daniels.
posted by pracowity at 5:28 AM on September 27, 2008 [1 favorite]
Entertainers aren't any brighter than bus drivers are and they don't know any more about politics than bus drivers do, but bus drivers don't have a large adoring audience ready to be swayed by their fantastically good looks. If that's the particular thing that bothers you about entertainers and politics -- that swaying breasts might be swaying breasts and help to give someone a great big election -- I see your point.
On the other hand, most of the time entertainers back Democrats -- or is this (ha!) confirmation bias? -- so it doesn't really bother me personally. If you're no Democrat, though, I could understand your aggravation.
On the the other other hand hand, if you are a Republican, maybe you should listen to your favorite entertainers and switch parties, because I bet your favorite entertainers are brilliant. Unless your favorite entertainers are Bruce Willis, Kid Rock, Ted Nugent, and Charlie Daniels.
posted by pracowity at 5:28 AM on September 27, 2008 [1 favorite]
*rushes in, panting*
Hey. Sorry I'm late. Am I too late to talk about how funny I don't think Sarah Silverman is? Oh whew! I see I'm not. Thank God!
Anyway, Sarah Silverman is teh suck, amirite?
posted by shmegegge at 5:28 AM on September 27, 2008 [6 favorites]
Hey. Sorry I'm late. Am I too late to talk about how funny I don't think Sarah Silverman is? Oh whew! I see I'm not. Thank God!
Anyway, Sarah Silverman is teh suck, amirite?
posted by shmegegge at 5:28 AM on September 27, 2008 [6 favorites]
I do wish entertainers would keep out of politics.
True. If Ronald Reagan had kept out of politics, we'd be a lot better off today. And the clowns in office now need to go back to circus camp for retraining.
Oh . . . . you mean you wish they'd keep out of expressing their opinions, raising their voices, supporting candidates, or voting?
People who say this *always* mean "entertainers who support the candidate I don't support." And they're *always* happy to have the endorsements of "entertainers" who do support their candidate.
"Entertainers" is a pretty dismissive way to categorize a wide range of people, some of whom are artists who have spoken for and to very large segments of the population -- whole generations or classes or regions. I think of Springsteen, who is an articulate and judicious "political" entertainer. His art was also *always* very political. All he's done is follow its implications into explicit positions on issues and candidates. When I hear him, I think "he speaks for me." That's because for many years he spoke *to* me.
Personally, I just wish politicians would stop trying to entertain us.
posted by fourcheesemac at 6:35 AM on September 27, 2008 [3 favorites]
True. If Ronald Reagan had kept out of politics, we'd be a lot better off today. And the clowns in office now need to go back to circus camp for retraining.
Oh . . . . you mean you wish they'd keep out of expressing their opinions, raising their voices, supporting candidates, or voting?
People who say this *always* mean "entertainers who support the candidate I don't support." And they're *always* happy to have the endorsements of "entertainers" who do support their candidate.
"Entertainers" is a pretty dismissive way to categorize a wide range of people, some of whom are artists who have spoken for and to very large segments of the population -- whole generations or classes or regions. I think of Springsteen, who is an articulate and judicious "political" entertainer. His art was also *always* very political. All he's done is follow its implications into explicit positions on issues and candidates. When I hear him, I think "he speaks for me." That's because for many years he spoke *to* me.
Personally, I just wish politicians would stop trying to entertain us.
posted by fourcheesemac at 6:35 AM on September 27, 2008 [3 favorites]
Yeah, Metafilter does seem to like to get its hate on for Ms. Silverman. She must own an iPhone or something.
I'll just put in my dissenting vote that her comedy is good because it intends to make people laugh while feeling uncomfortable about laughing. It's the same reason the UK version of The Office is funny and memorable, for example.
She also is friendly to the idea of equal rights for gays and lesbians, and walks the talk on that front. So there are probably few other celebrities who I can think of, who actually deserve to have their political views taken at least somewhat seriously.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 6:35 AM on September 27, 2008 [3 favorites]
I'll just put in my dissenting vote that her comedy is good because it intends to make people laugh while feeling uncomfortable about laughing. It's the same reason the UK version of The Office is funny and memorable, for example.
She also is friendly to the idea of equal rights for gays and lesbians, and walks the talk on that front. So there are probably few other celebrities who I can think of, who actually deserve to have their political views taken at least somewhat seriously.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 6:35 AM on September 27, 2008 [3 favorites]
On the the other other hand hand, if you are a Republican, maybe you should listen to your favorite entertainers and switch parties, because I bet your favorite entertainers are brilliant. Unless your favorite entertainers are Bruce Willis, Kid Rock, Ted Nugent, and Charlie Daniels.
The difference being, while I think those entertainers might be dead-wrong about politics, you don't see too many on the left going around demanding that they "shut up because they're entertainers." Hell, Rush Limbaugh is an "entertainer." Seriously -- Ted Nugent is the biggest asshole since, well... Ted Nugent, but this is America, he does have a platform in that he has a fan base, and he has a right to speak to them about whatever he wants. Says so in the constitution. I may personally wretch very time I hear his voice, but that does not mean he should be silenced. Made fun of, mocked, belittled, badgered, insulted for being a half-wit war-mongering Neanderthal (sorry, People of Neanderthalism)? Sure -- but told to "shut up?" No.
posted by Devils Rancher at 6:35 AM on September 27, 2008
The difference being, while I think those entertainers might be dead-wrong about politics, you don't see too many on the left going around demanding that they "shut up because they're entertainers." Hell, Rush Limbaugh is an "entertainer." Seriously -- Ted Nugent is the biggest asshole since, well... Ted Nugent, but this is America, he does have a platform in that he has a fan base, and he has a right to speak to them about whatever he wants. Says so in the constitution. I may personally wretch very time I hear his voice, but that does not mean he should be silenced. Made fun of, mocked, belittled, badgered, insulted for being a half-wit war-mongering Neanderthal (sorry, People of Neanderthalism)? Sure -- but told to "shut up?" No.
posted by Devils Rancher at 6:35 AM on September 27, 2008
shmegegge, with a username like that, you have a special exemption to criticize this video.
FWIW, I never much cared for Silverman's schtick, but I did think this bit was amusing. Look, she does irreverent schtick. If you're not offended by her, you're missing the point. She tries to offend everyone pretty equally, I'd say.
posted by fourcheesemac at 6:37 AM on September 27, 2008
FWIW, I never much cared for Silverman's schtick, but I did think this bit was amusing. Look, she does irreverent schtick. If you're not offended by her, you're missing the point. She tries to offend everyone pretty equally, I'd say.
posted by fourcheesemac at 6:37 AM on September 27, 2008
DR, that's Neanderthal Americans, or you can call them "swing voters."
posted by fourcheesemac at 6:38 AM on September 27, 2008 [1 favorite]
posted by fourcheesemac at 6:38 AM on September 27, 2008 [1 favorite]
I like Sara Silverman's uncomfortable/funny schtick, but we don't have cable, so i only get her in small doses. (yes she is teh hawt)
Shortly, I'll be asking for small donations to send my retired parents to Florida so we can visit them and sway their vote. The Jewish part will be a bit tougher.
posted by Artful Codger at 6:58 AM on September 27, 2008
Shortly, I'll be asking for small donations to send my retired parents to Florida so we can visit them and sway their vote. The Jewish part will be a bit tougher.
posted by Artful Codger at 6:58 AM on September 27, 2008
Goddam, she's hawt. (boyzone -- sorry ladies.)
psst - Sarah? Call me?
posted by Meatbomb at 7:18 AM on September 27, 2008
psst - Sarah? Call me?
posted by Meatbomb at 7:18 AM on September 27, 2008
Actually, Ted Nugent's pretty funny in the right context. He did some cameos on Letterman that were hilarious. Listening to him wax political is not so entertaining, but more power to the bow hunter if he wants to get involved and make his views known. I'm sure I'm equally offensive to him.
OTOH, Sarah Silverman is excellent. If anyone has anything to say about it, meet me on the playground after school.
posted by krinklyfig at 7:27 AM on September 27, 2008 [1 favorite]
OTOH, Sarah Silverman is excellent. If anyone has anything to say about it, meet me on the playground after school.
posted by krinklyfig at 7:27 AM on September 27, 2008 [1 favorite]
Watching Sarah Silverman always makes me channel my inner Nina Garcia. "This is BORING! She BORES me!" I get why she's supposed to be funny, but her schtick is so calculated that it goes right past funny and into the boring zone for me.
And I still contend that I'm cuter than her, so nyah.
posted by pxe2000 at 7:58 AM on September 27, 2008
And I still contend that I'm cuter than her, so nyah.
posted by pxe2000 at 7:58 AM on September 27, 2008
My grandparents live in Florida, but I'm pretty sure that going down there to try and influence their political decisions would make for the most mutually unpleasant visit of all time.
posted by solipsophistocracy at 8:39 AM on September 27, 2008 [2 favorites]
posted by solipsophistocracy at 8:39 AM on September 27, 2008 [2 favorites]
And I still contend that I'm cuter than her, so nyah. pixplzkthksboizone!
posted by Devils Rancher at 8:42 AM on September 27, 2008
posted by Devils Rancher at 8:42 AM on September 27, 2008
Damn straight. If Obama loses it will be because of the combined racism of all America.
I believe there's also a number of potentially craptastic voting machines & their overlords I would like to have a word with.
posted by bitterkitten at 9:31 AM on September 27, 2008
I believe there's also a number of potentially craptastic voting machines & their overlords I would like to have a word with.
posted by bitterkitten at 9:31 AM on September 27, 2008
If anyone is interested in traveling to Florida to badger their grandparents or has spare frequent flier miles to help others, this may be of interest: Travel for Change.
posted by jewzilla at 9:32 AM on September 27, 2008
posted by jewzilla at 9:32 AM on September 27, 2008
To me, Silverman (and comics like her) have kind of ruined sarcasm for me. Every time she says something nice/pleasant and seemingly genuine, I mentally prep the drumset for a rimshot before her next sentence. Without fail, the obligatory rimshot follows that sentence, and we begin again. Moreover, I appreciate comics (like, say, Richard Pryor) who tell hard truths about their lives. I don't know yet if Silverman's ever actually expressed a genuine thought in her set.
This "Great Schlep" idea has some merit, I'll admit. I'm all for convincing elderly people who might vote for someone closer to their own age, or calling them out for not voting Obama because of racial prejudice. I just think her delivery is wrong - she too often sways into sarcasm and makes me think she's, at times, making fun of Obama supporters.
I think her sarcasm would best be used to sarcastically support McCain. Thereby making people who might not vote Obama feel silly for doing so.
However, I doubt either tactic matters. No one's going to take a comedian like Silverman seriously enough to sway their own (or someone else's) opinion.
posted by revmitcz at 12:03 PM on September 27, 2008 [1 favorite]
This "Great Schlep" idea has some merit, I'll admit. I'm all for convincing elderly people who might vote for someone closer to their own age, or calling them out for not voting Obama because of racial prejudice. I just think her delivery is wrong - she too often sways into sarcasm and makes me think she's, at times, making fun of Obama supporters.
I think her sarcasm would best be used to sarcastically support McCain. Thereby making people who might not vote Obama feel silly for doing so.
However, I doubt either tactic matters. No one's going to take a comedian like Silverman seriously enough to sway their own (or someone else's) opinion.
posted by revmitcz at 12:03 PM on September 27, 2008 [1 favorite]
shmegegge, with a username like that, you have a special exemption to criticize this video.
funny thing. I don't think my first comment came across as sarcastically as it was meant to. I actually love SS as a comedian, and I hate people who feel like they have to post the "this person isn't funny" comment every time a comedian gets linked on metafilter.
posted by shmegegge at 2:11 PM on September 27, 2008
funny thing. I don't think my first comment came across as sarcastically as it was meant to. I actually love SS as a comedian, and I hate people who feel like they have to post the "this person isn't funny" comment every time a comedian gets linked on metafilter.
posted by shmegegge at 2:11 PM on September 27, 2008
People who say this *always* mean "entertainers who support the candidate I don't support." And they're *always* happy to have the endorsements of "entertainers" who do support their candidate.
Uh, no. wrong. Bruce is great, sure, but his fans don't love him for his "celebrity". On the other hand, what do her supporters most love about Sarah Palin? That's right ...
posted by farmdoggie at 2:17 PM on September 27, 2008
Uh, no. wrong. Bruce is great, sure, but his fans don't love him for his "celebrity". On the other hand, what do her supporters most love about Sarah Palin? That's right ...
posted by farmdoggie at 2:17 PM on September 27, 2008
I'm not a fan of Silverman either, but this was really funny... and you know what? It's not a bad fucking idea for people who've been asking "how can I help get Obama elected". And not just if your Jewish... I'm preparing to have this talk with my grandfather in Mississippi in the next week or two. I can't make my schlep down until early December, but I am going to talk to him about voting. I know that he was sick of Bush, and distrustful of McCain. But rather than vote for Obama, he would probably sit this one out (likely the last presidential election he'll see). But maybe some input from his grandkids could sway him.
I've already had "the talk" with my largely apolitical, vaguely conservative aunt and uncle in TN, and found out they are supporting Obama in this election (one of the perks of being in treatment for cancer is the ability to extort votes from friends and loved ones, apparently, or at least have them lie to my face).
But, since I've not told my grandfather about my own health issues (he's not doing so well these days, and it would upset him more than necessary), I'll have to win him over with my own feelings about why Obama is the best choice, and why his vote matters.
posted by kimdog at 5:06 PM on September 27, 2008
I've already had "the talk" with my largely apolitical, vaguely conservative aunt and uncle in TN, and found out they are supporting Obama in this election (one of the perks of being in treatment for cancer is the ability to extort votes from friends and loved ones, apparently, or at least have them lie to my face).
But, since I've not told my grandfather about my own health issues (he's not doing so well these days, and it would upset him more than necessary), I'll have to win him over with my own feelings about why Obama is the best choice, and why his vote matters.
posted by kimdog at 5:06 PM on September 27, 2008
I just got off the phone with my mother, who hates Sarah Silverman (she's a Brian Regan fan, herself) but still loves this idea. My only living grandparent wouldn't vote for Obama if she had a gun to her head (according to my mother) what with the blackness and being a democrat combining to make him 110% unacceptable, so they're just trying to make her unexcited enough about McCain that she won't want to vote at all.
We're gentiles, and she's in Texas, so it doesn't matter that much anyway. Still, even if a person is ignorant, racist, and cruel (and my grandmother is apparently just racist, which I never knew until today) I feel a little icky about the idea of trying to decrease voter turnout.
posted by Navelgazer at 5:49 PM on September 27, 2008
We're gentiles, and she's in Texas, so it doesn't matter that much anyway. Still, even if a person is ignorant, racist, and cruel (and my grandmother is apparently just racist, which I never knew until today) I feel a little icky about the idea of trying to decrease voter turnout.
posted by Navelgazer at 5:49 PM on September 27, 2008
There's nothing wrong with explaining to someone considering voting for McCain that he may not be worth their vote. After that, that they do with their vote, if anything, is up to them.
Anyways, nearly all negative campaigning- not just smears and mud, but even legitimate attacks- are about decreasing your opponent's base. Attacks don't help the attacker, but only hurt the target.
posted by spaltavian at 8:33 PM on September 27, 2008
Anyways, nearly all negative campaigning- not just smears and mud, but even legitimate attacks- are about decreasing your opponent's base. Attacks don't help the attacker, but only hurt the target.
posted by spaltavian at 8:33 PM on September 27, 2008
I'm not even Jewish and I thought that was funny!
posted by newdaddy at 9:06 PM on September 27, 2008
posted by newdaddy at 9:06 PM on September 27, 2008
Heads-up: we're liveblogging the VP debate here over on Politicalfilter.
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 5:23 PM on October 2, 2008
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 5:23 PM on October 2, 2008
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