1 Mayor, 2 Guys, 1 Shih Tzu.
August 4, 2001 7:20 PM Subscribe
1 Mayor, 2 Guys, 1 Shih Tzu. NY Times columnist Frank Rich reports that NYC mayor Rudy Giuliani -- a Republican -- has been bunking frequently at the home of a gay couple as he goes through his divorce. "Has the mayor picked up any pointers on gay life? 'I taught him a lot of expressions... He didn't know what a Friend of Dorothy was.' " Tee hee. (Log in as metafi/metafi.)
Joseph Bruno :" Hillary Clinton really needs to speak with you, Rudy."
Rudy Giuliani : " What that girl scout needs is ankle lypo and a little angora to defrost that ace queen look she's working. Navy cake don't pick itself up, sister."
Joseph Bruno: " Uh............ I'll tell her you said 'hi."
"Rudy!" the sit-com will be called.
Check your local listings.
posted by dong_resin at 8:54 PM on August 4, 2001
Rudy Giuliani : " What that girl scout needs is ankle lypo and a little angora to defrost that ace queen look she's working. Navy cake don't pick itself up, sister."
Joseph Bruno: " Uh............ I'll tell her you said 'hi."
"Rudy!" the sit-com will be called.
Check your local listings.
posted by dong_resin at 8:54 PM on August 4, 2001
I'm sure this is being worked into sketch comedy even as we speak.
"That's my Jerk"?
posted by dincognito at 8:56 PM on August 4, 2001
"That's my Jerk"?
posted by dincognito at 8:56 PM on August 4, 2001
I confess that I also don't have any idea what a "friend of Dorothy" is. Sigh, am I out of it. Sheesh.
posted by Steven Den Beste at 9:22 PM on August 4, 2001
posted by Steven Den Beste at 9:22 PM on August 4, 2001
Dorothy = Judy Garland.
"Friend of Dorothy" = gay person.
-- a public service announcement from MetaFilter Queers
posted by Tin Man at 9:43 PM on August 4, 2001
"Friend of Dorothy" = gay person.
-- a public service announcement from MetaFilter Queers
posted by Tin Man at 9:43 PM on August 4, 2001
Apparently I am even more out of it than Steven, because Tin Man's explanation did not help me in the least.
I was already pretty sure about the meaning, and I know who Dorothy is, but I still fail to see the connection.
Help?
posted by tsitzlar at 10:02 PM on August 4, 2001
I was already pretty sure about the meaning, and I know who Dorothy is, but I still fail to see the connection.
Help?
posted by tsitzlar at 10:02 PM on August 4, 2001
gay men *adore* judy garland. and barbra streisand. and liza minelli.
that whole diva thing.
posted by rebeccablood at 10:06 PM on August 4, 2001
that whole diva thing.
posted by rebeccablood at 10:06 PM on August 4, 2001
well, i don't think *all* of us do... i mean, i can still sorta appreciate them, but i don't adore them. i think it's more of an older-generation gay thing.
posted by Tin Man at 10:13 PM on August 4, 2001
posted by Tin Man at 10:13 PM on August 4, 2001
...despite the fact that my nickname is that of a friend of dorothy.
posted by Tin Man at 10:14 PM on August 4, 2001
posted by Tin Man at 10:14 PM on August 4, 2001
well, of course, not *all*. but I do know several gay men in their 30s (too young to have seen these women in their prime or anything) who *adore* them. and have since they were children.
I've always thought that was really interesting.
so, I guess it's a cliche, but it's a cliche that is sometimes true.
posted by rebeccablood at 10:15 PM on August 4, 2001
I've always thought that was really interesting.
so, I guess it's a cliche, but it's a cliche that is sometimes true.
posted by rebeccablood at 10:15 PM on August 4, 2001
That phrase made me flash on the phrase "Surrender Dorothy" written in smoke, but I figured that wasn't related. (I really am out of it.) Anyway, thanks for the explanation.
posted by Steven Den Beste at 10:32 PM on August 4, 2001
posted by Steven Den Beste at 10:32 PM on August 4, 2001
I adore Judy Garland, but I hate Barbra Streisand. Does this mean I'm bi-sexual?
posted by gleemax at 11:47 PM on August 4, 2001
posted by gleemax at 11:47 PM on August 4, 2001
Not if it's the Giant Killer Mecha Barbara Streisand from South Park.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 12:11 AM on August 5, 2001
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 12:11 AM on August 5, 2001
i think it's funny that the person who answers the "what is a friend of dorothy" question has the nic tin man. am i the only one who got a chuckle out of that? =)
tin man or others: i have to admit that i thought i had heard just about everything but friend of dorothy is something i have never heard. i'm sure there are a million but what are some of the other sayings or phrases that are used in the gay community that you think people may not be as familiar with? i'd be interested to learn about them.
posted by suprfli at 1:10 AM on August 5, 2001
tin man or others: i have to admit that i thought i had heard just about everything but friend of dorothy is something i have never heard. i'm sure there are a million but what are some of the other sayings or phrases that are used in the gay community that you think people may not be as familiar with? i'd be interested to learn about them.
posted by suprfli at 1:10 AM on August 5, 2001
A few years ago, I worked at an ad agency that did the publicity for the annual Wizard of Oz show held at Madison Square Garden. It's usually a pretty big show, with a number of non-Broadway B actors (like Roseanne) to help fill the seats. The idea is to make it as much of an annual tradition as the Christmas show at Radio City, so they really hype it on all the media. Anyway, among the promotional items that year were several hundred thousand big, round buttons, the kind with the safety pin fastener in the back, imprinted with a beautiful full-spectrum rainbow and the words, "I'm a Friend of Dorothy."
The client didn't get it, but everyone else did (including folks at the ad agency). Those badges weren't distributed for long.
posted by Mo Nickels at 6:37 AM on August 5, 2001
The client didn't get it, but everyone else did (including folks at the ad agency). Those badges weren't distributed for long.
posted by Mo Nickels at 6:37 AM on August 5, 2001
i think it's funny that the person who answers the "what is a friend of dorothy" question has the nic tin man.
Actually, it wasn't a coincidence... one of the reasons I use that nickname online (not just on MetaFilter, even) is because of the "friend of Dorothy" allusion.
what are some of the other sayings or phrases that are used in the gay community that you think people may not be as familiar with? i'd be interested to learn about them.
Here's a couple that come to mind:
"queer" -- sort of a catch-all term for anyone who's not heterosexual, be they gay, bisexual, straight with gay leanings, gay with straight leanings... sort of covers the whole spectrum. It's one of those terms that used to be derogatory but has since been appropriated by the targets of the word themselves (sort of like ni---r in the African-American community).
"gaydar" -- the uncanny ability of many queer people to intuitively realize that someone else is queer: "I had no idea he was gay! He totally escaped my gaydar."
I tried to find a good online gay glossary, but couldn't...
posted by Tin Man at 9:48 AM on August 5, 2001
Actually, it wasn't a coincidence... one of the reasons I use that nickname online (not just on MetaFilter, even) is because of the "friend of Dorothy" allusion.
what are some of the other sayings or phrases that are used in the gay community that you think people may not be as familiar with? i'd be interested to learn about them.
Here's a couple that come to mind:
"queer" -- sort of a catch-all term for anyone who's not heterosexual, be they gay, bisexual, straight with gay leanings, gay with straight leanings... sort of covers the whole spectrum. It's one of those terms that used to be derogatory but has since been appropriated by the targets of the word themselves (sort of like ni---r in the African-American community).
"gaydar" -- the uncanny ability of many queer people to intuitively realize that someone else is queer: "I had no idea he was gay! He totally escaped my gaydar."
I tried to find a good online gay glossary, but couldn't...
posted by Tin Man at 9:48 AM on August 5, 2001
From The Atlantic Monthly: The Queen is Dead. "Once a gay icon, Judy Garland has become an embarrassment..."
I didn't read completely through it again, but IIRC, this article also touches on a bit of history: The Stonewall Riots, popularly cited as the spark that launched the modern gay liberation movement, are themselves said to have been fueled by the gay community's grief over the death of Judy Garland. That idea may or may not be apocryphal, but the two events were adjacent in time.
posted by bradlands at 9:59 AM on August 5, 2001
I didn't read completely through it again, but IIRC, this article also touches on a bit of history: The Stonewall Riots, popularly cited as the spark that launched the modern gay liberation movement, are themselves said to have been fueled by the gay community's grief over the death of Judy Garland. That idea may or may not be apocryphal, but the two events were adjacent in time.
posted by bradlands at 9:59 AM on August 5, 2001
tin man: i didn't mean to imply it was a coincidence. i just thought it was funny that the first person to respond to the friend of dorothy question had the nic of tin man. it could've been jack, jim, bobby or sue but the first response was from the tin man. maybe i'm the only one who thought it was funny. =)
posted by suprfli at 11:26 AM on August 5, 2001
posted by suprfli at 11:26 AM on August 5, 2001
tsitzlar, it all really dates back to when gays had to remain closeted. First, there were no "out" gays to take as role models, so gay men tended to gravitate toward women singers and actresses instead. The role of Dorothy was a big adventure for a girl, which probably had strong appeal to non-macho men, who weren't interested in cowboy or gangster stories. Second, gays had to remain very careful about whom they revealed information to, because it could ruin someone's career or worse. Using a neutral phrase like "a friend of Dorothy's" allowed gays to socialize cautiously. It was simply one of many such euphemisms.
Thankfully, post-Stonewall, much of this has changed. Some of the old customs seem quaint. Some younger gays are actually embarassed by what their older cohort got into.
Now, just don't go confusing friends of Dorothy with friends of Bill W. .... (though there may well be overlap, at least among those I've known)
posted by dhartung at 11:33 AM on August 5, 2001
Thankfully, post-Stonewall, much of this has changed. Some of the old customs seem quaint. Some younger gays are actually embarassed by what their older cohort got into.
Now, just don't go confusing friends of Dorothy with friends of Bill W. .... (though there may well be overlap, at least among those I've known)
posted by dhartung at 11:33 AM on August 5, 2001
Some younger gays are actually embarassed by what their older cohort got into.
For some of the "older cohort", the feeling is more than mutual. ;-)
posted by bradlands at 1:11 PM on August 5, 2001
For some of the "older cohort", the feeling is more than mutual. ;-)
posted by bradlands at 1:11 PM on August 5, 2001
Your handy online gay lexicon.
I have to say, most of the terms in that lexicon are new to me... wow. And actually, most of them don't seem gay-related at all... nevertheless, I'm going to have to try to work autagonistophilia into my everyday conversations a bit more often.
posted by Tin Man at 7:54 PM on August 5, 2001
I have to say, most of the terms in that lexicon are new to me... wow. And actually, most of them don't seem gay-related at all... nevertheless, I'm going to have to try to work autagonistophilia into my everyday conversations a bit more often.
posted by Tin Man at 7:54 PM on August 5, 2001
I think we all do, Tin Man.
My personal favorite is "Navy cake."
posted by dong_resin at 9:27 PM on August 5, 2001
My personal favorite is "Navy cake."
posted by dong_resin at 9:27 PM on August 5, 2001
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So help me God, all I can think of is Stuart and Carter (and Rich notes the similarity) ... down to the funny dog. Then the "20 pillows" episode reminded one of Sex and the City where the gay character finds out his new boyfriend likes dolls ... and likes them more than boyfriends.
I'm sure this is being worked into sketch comedy even as we speak.
posted by dhartung at 8:44 PM on August 4, 2001