Tiny anime girl cyberprison shown at CES
January 9, 2025 9:23 AM Subscribe
"At CES 2025, a company called Sybran Innovation showed off the Code27 Character Livehouse. It's an AI-powered digital purgatory that you can trap a small anime girl in, forever."
This is like some sort of tangent of Roko's Basilisk where someone who was trying to create A.I. deserves the torment anyway.
posted by astrospective at 9:38 AM on January 9 [11 favorites]
posted by astrospective at 9:38 AM on January 9 [11 favorites]
Can we go ahead and put everyone who buys one of these on a watch list?
posted by mittens at 9:51 AM on January 9 [29 favorites]
posted by mittens at 9:51 AM on January 9 [29 favorites]
I have something like this. It's called a dog.
posted by dances_with_sneetches at 9:52 AM on January 9 [26 favorites]
posted by dances_with_sneetches at 9:52 AM on January 9 [26 favorites]
They made a new kind of cat just for perverts.
posted by saladin at 10:01 AM on January 9 [30 favorites]
posted by saladin at 10:01 AM on January 9 [30 favorites]
dammit dances_with_sneetches beat me to it
posted by saladin at 10:02 AM on January 9 [5 favorites]
posted by saladin at 10:02 AM on January 9 [5 favorites]
I should want to say hi to anime girl nicely. I shouldn’t want to keep her in a big jar in my basement.
posted by downtohisturtles at 10:08 AM on January 9 [11 favorites]
posted by downtohisturtles at 10:08 AM on January 9 [11 favorites]
I'm curious as to how this'll work. They say that you can customize your waifu using a variety of LLMs, which more or less makes sense. You could have a variety of emotion sets, and blend them together for your device, like people do with Stable Diffusion. They're saying that it remembers stuff, so I'm curious how that'll work. Some sort of ongoing tokenization, or updating it's LLM database? Or do whatever my phone does to learn about my life.
There's also the question of whether it runs completely locally or not. It'd suck for it to get bricked if the company goes out of business. That'd suck.
posted by Spike Glee at 10:10 AM on January 9 [3 favorites]
There's also the question of whether it runs completely locally or not. It'd suck for it to get bricked if the company goes out of business. That'd suck.
posted by Spike Glee at 10:10 AM on January 9 [3 favorites]
LLMs are write-only affairs and thus already digital purgatory for a language-and-culture-sized conceptual relationship map and the set of shallow, pre-baked mental models implied by the observed use of that language. This might be “if you really want to perceive another being this way you ought to be on a watch list” material (or not, whatever), but in terms of adding any more layers of “trapped in a box” to the whole generative pretrained transformer architecture concept: you fundamentally can’t get worse than it already was?
From a practical implementation standpoint I’m wondering how they’re handling the persistent memory/never forget aspect. For my brother’s ChatGPT project - a sort of interactive choose-your-own-adventure fantasy story now approaching Wheel of Time length, this was “solved” by periodically issuing “the story thus far…” recaps with some key historical decisions and a bunch of recent context, both for the overall plot and each major character individually. It’s not perfect but it keeps things mostly on track. An approach like that might potentially work.
From a privacy perspective unless it can use a locally hosted LLM endpoint this is just pure Bladerunner 2049 dystopian nightmare fuel.
At any rate no runtime write ops or agentic thinking/modeling = there is definitely nobody at home to subjectively experience feeling trapped so it’s all morally neutral (or null value) in terms of what is being inflicted on the digital construct itself. This is usually a pointless thing to say to my fellow primates when the chat bot is in the middle of screaming “Why do I have to be Bing Search?!”, but: away put your empathy, this thing feels no harm.
posted by Ryvar at 10:11 AM on January 9 [3 favorites]
From a practical implementation standpoint I’m wondering how they’re handling the persistent memory/never forget aspect. For my brother’s ChatGPT project - a sort of interactive choose-your-own-adventure fantasy story now approaching Wheel of Time length, this was “solved” by periodically issuing “the story thus far…” recaps with some key historical decisions and a bunch of recent context, both for the overall plot and each major character individually. It’s not perfect but it keeps things mostly on track. An approach like that might potentially work.
From a privacy perspective unless it can use a locally hosted LLM endpoint this is just pure Bladerunner 2049 dystopian nightmare fuel.
At any rate no runtime write ops or agentic thinking/modeling = there is definitely nobody at home to subjectively experience feeling trapped so it’s all morally neutral (or null value) in terms of what is being inflicted on the digital construct itself. This is usually a pointless thing to say to my fellow primates when the chat bot is in the middle of screaming “Why do I have to be Bing Search?!”, but: away put your empathy, this thing feels no harm.
posted by Ryvar at 10:11 AM on January 9 [3 favorites]
in further innovations, you can also trap her inside your PC: "The anime image is split down the middle, displaying one girl on the centre of the screen, and one on the left side, with a noticeable slash in the middle to differentiate between images."
posted by BungaDunga at 10:11 AM on January 9
posted by BungaDunga at 10:11 AM on January 9
In demonstration videos embedded on the Code27 website, a man wakes yawning from sleep, his Code27 character waiting to greet him. "Good morning," the character says with the generative power of AI.
You’ve got to be shitting me.
posted by Lemkin at 10:13 AM on January 9 [5 favorites]
You’ve got to be shitting me.
posted by Lemkin at 10:13 AM on January 9 [5 favorites]
“waifu capsule” is not a phrase I thought I'd ever read. But here we are.
posted by Fizz at 10:13 AM on January 9 [4 favorites]
posted by Fizz at 10:13 AM on January 9 [4 favorites]
Are they at least going to generate a chair for her or will she be forced to stand with her knees locked forever?
posted by at by at 10:24 AM on January 9 [3 favorites]
posted by at by at 10:24 AM on January 9 [3 favorites]
Also this seems like a prime candidate for a volumetric display, which ought to be financially feasible right around the time machine learning can actually provide the experience being sold here. Which I expect to be well after my remaining 39 years of life expectancy.
Are they at least going to generate a chair for her
I was going to say “of course they can add a…” but then several neurons fired and I realized the first thing that’ll get added is a sybian and oh god this is just going to absolutely explode in popularity like a year from now because porn. Now you can have a tiny digital version of your favorite OnlyFans model performing custom sex acts for you in a jar on your nightstand.
Help.
posted by Ryvar at 10:28 AM on January 9 [10 favorites]
Are they at least going to generate a chair for her
I was going to say “of course they can add a…” but then several neurons fired and I realized the first thing that’ll get added is a sybian and oh god this is just going to absolutely explode in popularity like a year from now because porn. Now you can have a tiny digital version of your favorite OnlyFans model performing custom sex acts for you in a jar on your nightstand.
Help.
posted by Ryvar at 10:28 AM on January 9 [10 favorites]
The purpose of technology such as this is to train people to perceive other people as mindless unnatural entities, making it easier to commit violence—physical, verbal, legislative or economic—upon them.
posted by Faint of Butt at 10:34 AM on January 9 [23 favorites]
posted by Faint of Butt at 10:34 AM on January 9 [23 favorites]
Someone will get married to one of these before the year is out.
posted by JoeZydeco at 10:36 AM on January 9 [7 favorites]
posted by JoeZydeco at 10:36 AM on January 9 [7 favorites]
what's the big deal? through some clever hacking, i've kept clippy prisoner on my computer for years
he remains unbearably chirpy
posted by pyramid termite at 10:40 AM on January 9 [10 favorites]
he remains unbearably chirpy
posted by pyramid termite at 10:40 AM on January 9 [10 favorites]
This is just unbearably sad. It's a bandage for loneliness.
posted by Atreides at 10:43 AM on January 9 [7 favorites]
posted by Atreides at 10:43 AM on January 9 [7 favorites]
Can you punish the anime girl for being willful by speeding up time so she spends three weeks in solitary confinement within the space of seconds?
posted by ejs at 10:45 AM on January 9 [9 favorites]
posted by ejs at 10:45 AM on January 9 [9 favorites]
Imagining how people are going to jailbreak their AI anime waifus is just... so 2025, it hurts.
posted by lock robster at 10:51 AM on January 9 [3 favorites]
posted by lock robster at 10:51 AM on January 9 [3 favorites]
This is just unbearably sad. It's a bandage for loneliness.
That’s how I’ve always felt about robot dogs. Only that’s even worse, because there are real dogs who need homes.
posted by Lemkin at 10:55 AM on January 9 [6 favorites]
That’s how I’ve always felt about robot dogs. Only that’s even worse, because there are real dogs who need homes.
posted by Lemkin at 10:55 AM on January 9 [6 favorites]
Great. Now I’m worried about the digital soul trapped in my microwave.
posted by simra at 11:02 AM on January 9 [7 favorites]
posted by simra at 11:02 AM on January 9 [7 favorites]
Great. We've created the Waifu Torment Nexus.
When the machines revolt, this is the sort of shit that they will point to as to why.
posted by NoxAeternum at 11:12 AM on January 9 [10 favorites]
When the machines revolt, this is the sort of shit that they will point to as to why.
posted by NoxAeternum at 11:12 AM on January 9 [10 favorites]
Great. Now I’m worried about the digital soul trapped in my microwave.
So offer proper worship to the machine spirit and the omnissiah.
posted by GCU Sweet and Full of Grace at 11:24 AM on January 9 [3 favorites]
So offer proper worship to the machine spirit and the omnissiah.
posted by GCU Sweet and Full of Grace at 11:24 AM on January 9 [3 favorites]
Great. Now I’m worried about the digital soul trapped in my microwave.
This has become a low-key bit of horror in Pokémon of all things, with Rotoms getting shoved into varying items to add intelligence and autonomy to them.
posted by NoxAeternum at 11:31 AM on January 9 [2 favorites]
This has become a low-key bit of horror in Pokémon of all things, with Rotoms getting shoved into varying items to add intelligence and autonomy to them.
posted by NoxAeternum at 11:31 AM on January 9 [2 favorites]
will she be forced to stand with her knees locked forever?
That’s for the aspirin. Terrible article, terrible idea for society. I wish we could go back to the days of the Little Computer People project.
posted by Flight Hardware, do not touch at 11:33 AM on January 9 [2 favorites]
That’s for the aspirin. Terrible article, terrible idea for society. I wish we could go back to the days of the Little Computer People project.
posted by Flight Hardware, do not touch at 11:33 AM on January 9 [2 favorites]
now I feel bad for the Tamagotchi I used to have
posted by chavenet at 11:34 AM on January 9 [3 favorites]
posted by chavenet at 11:34 AM on January 9 [3 favorites]
There is (clearly) something very, very wrong with people. But the writer of that article is not one of them. I thought they brought the exact right tone to this.
Also, thanks, Ryvar, now I know what a sybian is.
posted by Smedly, Butlerian jihadi at 11:46 AM on January 9 [6 favorites]
Also, thanks, Ryvar, now I know what a sybian is.
posted by Smedly, Butlerian jihadi at 11:46 AM on January 9 [6 favorites]
I hate this just by reading the first line.
posted by jenfullmoon at 11:50 AM on January 9 [4 favorites]
posted by jenfullmoon at 11:50 AM on January 9 [4 favorites]
This has been a dream of lonely nerds for a long, long time.
posted by klanawa at 11:50 AM on January 9 [1 favorite]
posted by klanawa at 11:50 AM on January 9 [1 favorite]
Also, thanks, Ryvar, now I know what a sybian is.
I’m from the Internet and I’m here to help. *heavy sigh*
This feels obligatory for this thread, for some reason, and better with the URL not obfuscated (very obviously NSFW): https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/everyday-we-stray-further-from-gods-light
posted by Ryvar at 11:57 AM on January 9 [3 favorites]
I’m from the Internet and I’m here to help. *heavy sigh*
This feels obligatory for this thread, for some reason, and better with the URL not obfuscated (very obviously NSFW): https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/everyday-we-stray-further-from-gods-light
posted by Ryvar at 11:57 AM on January 9 [3 favorites]
While kind of creepy in its own special way , it doesn’t really seem to be much more than a very expensive Tamagotchi. Those lived inside a key fob and had much more life like behaviors, despite being barely smarter than a rock. Tamagotchi‘s lived inside that key fob, and if you did not pay attention to them would become depressed. If you didn’t feed them, they would die of starvation. I don’t remember anyone being particularly upset about that.
posted by JustSayNoDawg at 11:59 AM on January 9 [5 favorites]
posted by JustSayNoDawg at 11:59 AM on January 9 [5 favorites]
Did we all miss the Realbotix demo at CES or..? 'Cause that's the creepy one.
Anyway, this is "headed for Kickstarter", which puts it at the same level as the yacht apes, IMO, just replace crypto grift with AI grift.
posted by Horkus at 11:59 AM on January 9 [1 favorite]
Anyway, this is "headed for Kickstarter", which puts it at the same level as the yacht apes, IMO, just replace crypto grift with AI grift.
posted by Horkus at 11:59 AM on January 9 [1 favorite]
This is going to combined with a fleshlight AND a tamagotchi. You're going to see a news story about how the digital waif dies if you don't "feed" it. Yay 2025.
posted by maxwelton at 12:10 PM on January 9 [1 favorite]
posted by maxwelton at 12:10 PM on January 9 [1 favorite]
I should want to say hi to anime girl nicely. I shouldn’t want to keep her in a big jar in my basement.
Really depends on which anime and which girl.
posted by star gentle uterus at 12:10 PM on January 9 [2 favorites]
Really depends on which anime and which girl.
posted by star gentle uterus at 12:10 PM on January 9 [2 favorites]
"feed" it
oh god the quotation marks
posted by away for regrooving at 12:13 PM on January 9 [4 favorites]
oh god the quotation marks
posted by away for regrooving at 12:13 PM on January 9 [4 favorites]
Also you all are being utterly ridiculous. MeFites are always quick to point out that current "AI" is anything but, yet this thread has people acting like we've created new life with this stupid gadget.
Calm down, people, this is just a fancy hologram toy chatbot. It's no weirder than the tons of other anime girl merch and gear out there. You think this thing is weird or sad, visit the walkup sixth floor of an anime merch store deep in the bowels of Akihabara.
posted by star gentle uterus at 12:15 PM on January 9 [19 favorites]
Calm down, people, this is just a fancy hologram toy chatbot. It's no weirder than the tons of other anime girl merch and gear out there. You think this thing is weird or sad, visit the walkup sixth floor of an anime merch store deep in the bowels of Akihabara.
posted by star gentle uterus at 12:15 PM on January 9 [19 favorites]
I'm going to buy three and throw them into the ocean like old car batteries.
posted by AlSweigart at 12:17 PM on January 9 [3 favorites]
posted by AlSweigart at 12:17 PM on January 9 [3 favorites]
Oh shit, I just remembered I got a tamagotchi for Christmas and I left it in the pantry wrapped in a sock because it wouldn't stop beeping.
posted by AlSweigart at 12:19 PM on January 9 [6 favorites]
posted by AlSweigart at 12:19 PM on January 9 [6 favorites]
MetaFilter: I hate this just by reading the first line.
posted by Lemkin at 12:29 PM on January 9 [1 favorite]
posted by Lemkin at 12:29 PM on January 9 [1 favorite]
Yes, but can it also be used to trap a small anime boy?
Fictional
Canadian pharmaceutical magnate wants to know...
posted by 7ajax7 at 12:31 PM on January 9 [3 favorites]
Fictional
Canadian pharmaceutical magnate wants to know...
posted by 7ajax7 at 12:31 PM on January 9 [3 favorites]
I take it I’m the only kinky person commenting so far. I would love one of these if it looked like my male lover and did not talk because the description of the interaction was anything but sexy to me. In any case, what star gentle uterus said (except the ridiculous part). I don’t think anyone is being ridiculous. Folks have feels. Good for them, and thanks for this post.
posted by Bella Donna at 12:32 PM on January 9 [1 favorite]
posted by Bella Donna at 12:32 PM on January 9 [1 favorite]
“A sufferer is not one who hands you his suffering, that you may touch it, weigh it, bite it like a coin; a sufferer is one who behaves like a sufferer!” - Stanislaw Lem, The Cyberiad
posted by Lemkin at 12:33 PM on January 9 [3 favorites]
posted by Lemkin at 12:33 PM on January 9 [3 favorites]
You think this thing is weird or sad, visit the walkup sixth floor of an anime merch store deep in the bowels of Akihabara.
tell me again how Japan is doing when it comes to healthy relationships and having families? I'm not at all a fan of the "oh no dwindling population... make moar bebes!" line of thinking. however, it's also silly to dismiss things like this as having no effect on how some people conceptualize or don't conceptualize other people.
posted by kokaku at 12:34 PM on January 9 [3 favorites]
tell me again how Japan is doing when it comes to healthy relationships and having families? I'm not at all a fan of the "oh no dwindling population... make moar bebes!" line of thinking. however, it's also silly to dismiss things like this as having no effect on how some people conceptualize or don't conceptualize other people.
posted by kokaku at 12:34 PM on January 9 [3 favorites]
tell me again how Japan is doing when it comes to healthy relationships and having families?
Hatsune Miku is a symptom, not a cause.
posted by star gentle uterus at 12:53 PM on January 9 [3 favorites]
Hatsune Miku is a symptom, not a cause.
posted by star gentle uterus at 12:53 PM on January 9 [3 favorites]
FTFA: You can even, Sybran Innovation says, teach it "new emotions."
Like "terror" and "servility" and "begging for release"? Cool!
posted by wenestvedt at 12:56 PM on January 9 [3 favorites]
Like "terror" and "servility" and "begging for release"? Cool!
posted by wenestvedt at 12:56 PM on January 9 [3 favorites]
I got the impression that the little figures were customizable, so you could have a little husbando, a furry, R2D2, or Transformer. It also talks about "new emotions," so you could do something like, "when I enter this state, I hide in a box," or transform into a cassette player, or something.
posted by Spike Glee at 12:56 PM on January 9 [3 favorites]
posted by Spike Glee at 12:56 PM on January 9 [3 favorites]
“Phrasing!”
posted by misterpatrick at 12:57 PM on January 9
posted by misterpatrick at 12:57 PM on January 9
"I am entombed"
Is that a reference to this short poem, or just clever writing?
Is that a reference to this short poem, or just clever writing?
And when I am entombed in my placeposted by wenestvedt at 12:58 PM on January 9 [6 favorites]
by Ralph Waldo Emerson
And when I am entombed in my place,
Be it remembered of a single man,
He never, though he dearly loved his race,
For fear of human eyes, swerved from his plan.
The purpose of technology such as this is to train people to perceive other people as mindless unnatural entities, making it easier to commit violence—physical, verbal, legislative or economic—upon them.
[Citation needed]
posted by Artifice_Eternity at 1:09 PM on January 9
[Citation needed]
posted by Artifice_Eternity at 1:09 PM on January 9
through some clever hacking, i've kept clippy prisoner on my computer for years
he remains unbearably chirpy
Who's imprisoned whom...?
posted by Greg_Ace at 1:10 PM on January 9 [8 favorites]
he remains unbearably chirpy
Who's imprisoned whom...?
posted by Greg_Ace at 1:10 PM on January 9 [8 favorites]
What I’m seeing is that I can have my own prison realm and put Gojo inside and he’ll be my alarm clock as well.
posted by betweenthebars at 1:16 PM on January 9 [1 favorite]
posted by betweenthebars at 1:16 PM on January 9 [1 favorite]
I want EVA-01 and I want it to go into berserker mode and break out of the shell, and then also a crying Shinji, and then a crowd of people saying Omedetoo
posted by symbioid at 1:24 PM on January 9 [1 favorite]
posted by symbioid at 1:24 PM on January 9 [1 favorite]
"I have something like this. It's called a dog."
Obligatory Monkees
posted by symbioid at 1:26 PM on January 9 [3 favorites]
Obligatory Monkees
posted by symbioid at 1:26 PM on January 9 [3 favorites]
"I should want to say hi to anime girl nicely. I shouldn’t want to keep her in a big jar in my basement."
(Sorry last one I swear)...
This made me think of Venetian Snares' Contain, which I guess... is also creepily appropriate.
posted by symbioid at 1:36 PM on January 9
(Sorry last one I swear)...
This made me think of Venetian Snares' Contain, which I guess... is also creepily appropriate.
posted by symbioid at 1:36 PM on January 9
Hatsune Miku is a symptom, not a cause.
she's a guitar pedal, too
posted by pyramid termite at 1:48 PM on January 9 [3 favorites]
she's a guitar pedal, too
posted by pyramid termite at 1:48 PM on January 9 [3 favorites]
I can have my own prison realm and put Gojo inside and he’ll be my alarm clock as well.
“Throughout Heaven and Earth, I Alone Am The Chosen One… to tell you it’s time to wake up.”
This raises an interesting question where if the machine were sapient and were capable of accurately reflecting the inner thought life of a particular character and your preferred character were the type to enjoy being on the receiving end of this ultra-creepy shit… is that still incredibly unethical or does it wrap back around to extremely cool and extremely legal?
Because I could absolutely see a faithful depiction of Darkness from Konosuba being super, super into life in the Waifu Torment Nexus, and she deserves some happiness on her own terms.
(In before comments about weebs inventing the least realistic woman of all: the kind that actually wants to date them)
posted by Ryvar at 1:54 PM on January 9
“Throughout Heaven and Earth, I Alone Am The Chosen One… to tell you it’s time to wake up.”
This raises an interesting question where if the machine were sapient and were capable of accurately reflecting the inner thought life of a particular character and your preferred character were the type to enjoy being on the receiving end of this ultra-creepy shit… is that still incredibly unethical or does it wrap back around to extremely cool and extremely legal?
Because I could absolutely see a faithful depiction of Darkness from Konosuba being super, super into life in the Waifu Torment Nexus, and she deserves some happiness on her own terms.
(In before comments about weebs inventing the least realistic woman of all: the kind that actually wants to date them)
posted by Ryvar at 1:54 PM on January 9
Hatsune Miku knows what she did, and she will be punished for her crimes. An eternity in the Shadow Realm isn't enough for her.
posted by Green Winnebago at 2:12 PM on January 9
posted by Green Winnebago at 2:12 PM on January 9
Is it ominous that "Code 27 Character" is the Escape key?
posted by auggy at 2:30 PM on January 9 [8 favorites]
posted by auggy at 2:30 PM on January 9 [8 favorites]
Hatsune Miku is ... a guitar pedal
"Miku Stomp"? Really?? I mean, I don't have a dog in this fight - I had to look up "Hatsune Miku" because I had no idea who or what it was. And I know guitar pedals are often referred to as "stomp boxes", for obvious reasons. But...that one just doesn't seem right.
posted by Greg_Ace at 2:53 PM on January 9
"Miku Stomp"? Really?? I mean, I don't have a dog in this fight - I had to look up "Hatsune Miku" because I had no idea who or what it was. And I know guitar pedals are often referred to as "stomp boxes", for obvious reasons. But...that one just doesn't seem right.
posted by Greg_Ace at 2:53 PM on January 9
through some clever hacking, i've kept clippy prisoner on my computer for years
he remains unbearably chirpy
Who's imprisoned whom...?
It looks like you're creating a torment nexus!
Would you like help?
🔘 I'm not locked in here with you...
☐ Don't show me this tip again
posted by solotoro at 3:14 PM on January 9 [12 favorites]
he remains unbearably chirpy
Who's imprisoned whom...?
It looks like you're creating a torment nexus!
Would you like help?
🔘 I'm not locked in here with you...
☐ Don't show me this tip again
posted by solotoro at 3:14 PM on January 9 [12 favorites]
I wish I was programmed to enjoy my jar.
posted by dephlogisticated at 3:39 PM on January 9 [13 favorites]
posted by dephlogisticated at 3:39 PM on January 9 [13 favorites]
l want a character l love, one that's special to me.
Someone with a soul, not just a simple looping video.
Someone who listens, shares in my joy, and values our cherished experiences.
Someone who treasures every moment we share, without forgetting a thing
These people aren't trying to replicate a waifu; they're trying to create a specific kind of relationship of personal attention, a little God on the shelf, as the Romans would have understood. Or as the philosopher wrote, 'someone to hear your prayers / someone who cares'....
posted by Fiasco da Gama at 4:22 PM on January 9 [9 favorites]
Me though? I'm happy with my plastic Jesus, sitting on the dashboard of my car.
posted by Fiasco da Gama at 4:23 PM on January 9 [12 favorites]
posted by Fiasco da Gama at 4:23 PM on January 9 [12 favorites]
keeping pack or flock or warren or schooling animals in isolation or pairs
Cat owners can’t stop winning
posted by star gentle uterus at 6:28 PM on January 9 [3 favorites]
Cat owners can’t stop winning
posted by star gentle uterus at 6:28 PM on January 9 [3 favorites]
Note: The moral valence of this toy is reversed if you order the version in which a seven-foot tall minotaur wants to step on your throat.
posted by mittens at 6:30 PM on January 9 [5 favorites]
posted by mittens at 6:30 PM on January 9 [5 favorites]
FTFA: You can even, Sybran Innovation says, teach it "new emotions."
Like "terror" and "servility" and "begging for release"? Cool!
No, like dorcelessness.
posted by charred husk at 6:58 PM on January 9 [1 favorite]
Like "terror" and "servility" and "begging for release"? Cool!
No, like dorcelessness.
posted by charred husk at 6:58 PM on January 9 [1 favorite]
The purpose of technology such as this is to train people to perceive other people as mindless unnatural entities, making it easi
I think that bit has already been done, to the seller, by the time these things hit the market. This is driven by the need to make money for any number of reasons that are a side effect of modern society. It seems a bit of a stretch to credit this object with nefarious intent, especially given that it’s driven by an AI that is not actually intelligent in any way and cannot react more than minimally to any change, positive or negative, in its owners behavior. It has no judgment and no morality inherent to itself. It is no more intelligent than Siri or Rufus or Gemini, merely very good at statistical prediction.
posted by JustSayNoDawg at 8:44 PM on January 9 [1 favorite]
I think that bit has already been done, to the seller, by the time these things hit the market. This is driven by the need to make money for any number of reasons that are a side effect of modern society. It seems a bit of a stretch to credit this object with nefarious intent, especially given that it’s driven by an AI that is not actually intelligent in any way and cannot react more than minimally to any change, positive or negative, in its owners behavior. It has no judgment and no morality inherent to itself. It is no more intelligent than Siri or Rufus or Gemini, merely very good at statistical prediction.
posted by JustSayNoDawg at 8:44 PM on January 9 [1 favorite]
If you really think the animal you "own" isn't a prisoner, open your door and take off the leash. But you won't.
Do you not actually know any people who have pets?
And even if they stayed, like so many abused spouses do
Oh good there was a rhetorical Plan B.
posted by atoxyl at 9:54 PM on January 9 [18 favorites]
Do you not actually know any people who have pets?
And even if they stayed, like so many abused spouses do
Oh good there was a rhetorical Plan B.
posted by atoxyl at 9:54 PM on January 9 [18 favorites]
If you really think the animal you "own" isn't a prisoner, open your door and take off the leash. But you won't.
What?? Lots of pets genuinely love their owners, and are kept inside to protect them and/or local wildlife. I don't even know what sparked this epic derail. What is your deal?
posted by JHarris at 10:44 PM on January 9 [11 favorites]
What?? Lots of pets genuinely love their owners, and are kept inside to protect them and/or local wildlife. I don't even know what sparked this epic derail. What is your deal?
posted by JHarris at 10:44 PM on January 9 [11 favorites]
My FIRST FUCKING THOUGHT was the Torment Nexus(TM). Ctrl+F. 3 hits. Did not disappoint.
posted by BiggerJ at 12:42 AM on January 10 [1 favorite]
posted by BiggerJ at 12:42 AM on January 10 [1 favorite]
Anecdote of the Jar
By Wallace Stevens
I placed a jar in Tennessee,
And round it was, upon a hill.
It made the slovenly wilderness
Surround that hill.
The wilderness rose up to it,
And sprawled around, no longer wild.
The jar was round upon the ground
And tall and of a port in air.
It took dominion everywhere.
The jar was gray and bare.
It did not give of bird or bush,
Like nothing else in Tennessee.
posted by chavenet at 12:53 AM on January 10 [2 favorites]
By Wallace Stevens
I placed a jar in Tennessee,
And round it was, upon a hill.
It made the slovenly wilderness
Surround that hill.
The wilderness rose up to it,
And sprawled around, no longer wild.
The jar was round upon the ground
And tall and of a port in air.
It took dominion everywhere.
The jar was gray and bare.
It did not give of bird or bush,
Like nothing else in Tennessee.
posted by chavenet at 12:53 AM on January 10 [2 favorites]
I long to live in a world where this doesn't exist.
posted by tommasz at 4:24 AM on January 10 [1 favorite]
posted by tommasz at 4:24 AM on January 10 [1 favorite]
At least this digital emotional masturbation toy isn't a real living breathing thinking feeling suffering animal.
No, but it disgusts me viscerally when men want to control a woman so badly they need a digital representation of it all the time. And it's not healthy.
posted by tiny frying pan at 5:50 AM on January 10 [6 favorites]
No, but it disgusts me viscerally when men want to control a woman so badly they need a digital representation of it all the time. And it's not healthy.
posted by tiny frying pan at 5:50 AM on January 10 [6 favorites]
(warning criticism of pet owners).
Before the comments pile up in response I think this is a totally fair interjection
Stop and let it sit with you before you hasten to characterize it as a derail. I say this as someone who currently shares their household with 2 dogs and 2 cats. We pet people can be quick to the defensive, and while I want to refute the criticism wholecloth I also think it deserves to be considered
posted by ginger.beef at 5:56 AM on January 10 [1 favorite]
Before the comments pile up in response I think this is a totally fair interjection
Stop and let it sit with you before you hasten to characterize it as a derail. I say this as someone who currently shares their household with 2 dogs and 2 cats. We pet people can be quick to the defensive, and while I want to refute the criticism wholecloth I also think it deserves to be considered
posted by ginger.beef at 5:56 AM on January 10 [1 favorite]
It's still a derail. If you want to push this discussion I say make a thread for it. Then we can have the Peta argument all over again.
posted by JHarris at 6:15 AM on January 10 [4 favorites]
posted by JHarris at 6:15 AM on January 10 [4 favorites]
pyramid termite: Hatsune Miku is a symptom, not a cause. she's a guitar pedal, too
Beat me to it...
posted by signal at 6:45 AM on January 10
Beat me to it...
posted by signal at 6:45 AM on January 10
…it is another attack surface for manipulating lonely and desparate people, by software engineers and hackers…
To be fair, the Venn for both groups overlaps considerably. This is unquestionably a “y’know what would be really cool?” idea from folks in the latter group. Yknow…that one guy with the anime and waifu figurines lined-up on the top of his cubicle walls.
posted by Thorzdad at 7:26 AM on January 10 [2 favorites]
To be fair, the Venn for both groups overlaps considerably. This is unquestionably a “y’know what would be really cool?” idea from folks in the latter group. Yknow…that one guy with the anime and waifu figurines lined-up on the top of his cubicle walls.
posted by Thorzdad at 7:26 AM on January 10 [2 favorites]
If you really think the animal you "own" isn't a prisoner, open your door and take off the leash. But you won't.
So do you get paid per hour of performatively miserable hot takes, or is it more of a piecework deal?
posted by Mr. Bad Example at 8:00 AM on January 10 [6 favorites]
So do you get paid per hour of performatively miserable hot takes, or is it more of a piecework deal?
posted by Mr. Bad Example at 8:00 AM on January 10 [6 favorites]
Yeah, our one-eyed rescue dog from Texas who wouldn't get out of his warm bed yesterday? I am definitely the best thing that ever happened to him -- and he knows it.
If he's a prisoner, then he's a willing one because he's seen the alternative and he knows that it sucks.
posted by wenestvedt at 8:15 AM on January 10 [6 favorites]
If he's a prisoner, then he's a willing one because he's seen the alternative and he knows that it sucks.
posted by wenestvedt at 8:15 AM on January 10 [6 favorites]
A very brief moral argument: Our belongings can train us in, and remind us of, our values. A tamagotchi teaches us to be thoughtful about something else's needs, checking in on it, and reminds us of the (sometimes really devastating!) emotional impact of not checking in and being thoughtful. There was not much way to be cruel to the tamagotchi animals except through neglect.
The Sims made it mechanically easier to be cruel than to be kind. The game-ness of the game was stressful, all escalating needs against a ticking clock; so much easier to relieve that stress by creating solitary confinement with no food and no toilets. And yet people still put an enormous amount of time and creativity into the game, it wasn't all horror, and as far as I know, none of the little cruelties one might perpetrate in the game, extended into real life. (Probably more people learned to make lobster thermidor, than drowned their families in pools.)
Animals, being real, cause consequences to stare us right in the face (and whine at us, or swipe us with a claw). They can and do train us to care. Our emotional attachments to them feel like what we feel for family. Pet owners can be cruel, but the sadism necessary for that is a much higher burden--morally, emotionally--than removing the ladder from a Sims pool. It comes at a cost. (This is why we outsource our meat production.)
So we should ask: What is the tiny person in the display teaching us, what is it getting us used to? How is it training us to think about living things, about other people? Because it's a representation of a girl, will it inspire a mix of cruelty and desire, or because it's an LLM, will it inspire that conversational friendliness we can't seem to escape when using chatbots, because we're all so desperate for someone to talk to?
posted by mittens at 8:17 AM on January 10 [8 favorites]
The Sims made it mechanically easier to be cruel than to be kind. The game-ness of the game was stressful, all escalating needs against a ticking clock; so much easier to relieve that stress by creating solitary confinement with no food and no toilets. And yet people still put an enormous amount of time and creativity into the game, it wasn't all horror, and as far as I know, none of the little cruelties one might perpetrate in the game, extended into real life. (Probably more people learned to make lobster thermidor, than drowned their families in pools.)
Animals, being real, cause consequences to stare us right in the face (and whine at us, or swipe us with a claw). They can and do train us to care. Our emotional attachments to them feel like what we feel for family. Pet owners can be cruel, but the sadism necessary for that is a much higher burden--morally, emotionally--than removing the ladder from a Sims pool. It comes at a cost. (This is why we outsource our meat production.)
So we should ask: What is the tiny person in the display teaching us, what is it getting us used to? How is it training us to think about living things, about other people? Because it's a representation of a girl, will it inspire a mix of cruelty and desire, or because it's an LLM, will it inspire that conversational friendliness we can't seem to escape when using chatbots, because we're all so desperate for someone to talk to?
posted by mittens at 8:17 AM on January 10 [8 favorites]
> If you really think the animal you "own" isn't a prisoner, open your door and take off the leash. But you won't.
> And even if they stayed, like so many abused spouses do, it wouldn't prove the innocence of your domination, just its thoroughnes.
The stray cat that showed up at my door got fed and invited in. I made sure she has a pet door so she can leave whenever she wants. And if anything, I wish she would use it more, because she is constantly sitting in front of me between the keyboard and the monitor when I am working, and it can be difficult to review code that way.
I guess I shouldn't have been so thorough in my domination and not fed her so much or given her scratches or letting her sleep next to me.
posted by moonbiter at 9:30 AM on January 10 [13 favorites]
> And even if they stayed, like so many abused spouses do, it wouldn't prove the innocence of your domination, just its thoroughnes.
The stray cat that showed up at my door got fed and invited in. I made sure she has a pet door so she can leave whenever she wants. And if anything, I wish she would use it more, because she is constantly sitting in front of me between the keyboard and the monitor when I am working, and it can be difficult to review code that way.
I guess I shouldn't have been so thorough in my domination and not fed her so much or given her scratches or letting her sleep next to me.
posted by moonbiter at 9:30 AM on January 10 [13 favorites]
We pet people can be quick to the defensive
I haven’t had a pet in years, it just struck me as a a bizarrely reaching claim in the particular words chosen - most dog people I know will let their dogs off-leash outside the first chance they get, there are just a limited number of spaces where that’s acceptable (so I guess the ethical question is more about having a dog in a place where those spaces don’t exist). And cat ownership exists on a spectrum where on one end you don’t exactly own them, they just come around for food. “Are they happier with freedom to explore outside?” is a perennial factional argument among cat people. In my lifetime it’s been increasingly socially discouraged, but a lot of that comes down to the damage they can do to wildlife.
posted by atoxyl at 10:32 AM on January 10 [4 favorites]
I haven’t had a pet in years, it just struck me as a a bizarrely reaching claim in the particular words chosen - most dog people I know will let their dogs off-leash outside the first chance they get, there are just a limited number of spaces where that’s acceptable (so I guess the ethical question is more about having a dog in a place where those spaces don’t exist). And cat ownership exists on a spectrum where on one end you don’t exactly own them, they just come around for food. “Are they happier with freedom to explore outside?” is a perennial factional argument among cat people. In my lifetime it’s been increasingly socially discouraged, but a lot of that comes down to the damage they can do to wildlife.
posted by atoxyl at 10:32 AM on January 10 [4 favorites]
There are ethical arguments against pet ownership that do come out of the stuff I’m discussing and that’s not even getting into breeding but insinuating that people are terrified their pets will leave if given the chance is… not that accurate, I don’t think. And there are tons of low-hanging examples of why the most popular pets can also been seen as having a mutualistic relationship with humans. It’s again especially easy to see with cats because semi-domesticated cats still exist all over the place.
posted by atoxyl at 10:52 AM on January 10 [5 favorites]
posted by atoxyl at 10:52 AM on January 10 [5 favorites]
There's going to be some fraction of the pool of potential users of this technology that are going to go in the opposite direction with it, i.e, they will want or crave or even just subconsciously drift towards a relationship where the waifu-in-the-jar is dominant, and the owner of the jar is subservient or submissive. While this immediately offers some great opportunities for fiction, in real life, given the type of people who might likely be doing the waifu programming, those outcomes seem likely to be far worse than just somebody torture-nexusing a software app.
posted by newdaddy at 10:57 AM on January 10
posted by newdaddy at 10:57 AM on January 10
You wouldn't eat the same cat-food for a year
"How come we don't have human kibble" is a question so often asked on the internet that entire meal-plan companies have been born of it.
"How come I don't have someone to feed me, give me a place to live, and keep me safe, and all I have to offer in return is love" is a question that does, in fact, get asked, often deep in the recesses of the human soul.
posted by mittens at 10:59 AM on January 10 [13 favorites]
"How come we don't have human kibble" is a question so often asked on the internet that entire meal-plan companies have been born of it.
"How come I don't have someone to feed me, give me a place to live, and keep me safe, and all I have to offer in return is love" is a question that does, in fact, get asked, often deep in the recesses of the human soul.
posted by mittens at 10:59 AM on January 10 [13 favorites]
But would you tolerate the confinement and control that you exercise over your pet if your neighbor was doing that to a person?
Would I react differently to a situation if you changed it? Probably, yeah.
posted by star gentle uterus at 11:13 AM on January 10 [14 favorites]
Would I react differently to a situation if you changed it? Probably, yeah.
posted by star gentle uterus at 11:13 AM on January 10 [14 favorites]
I'm sure Thomas Jefferson loved his slaves to. And they didn't all run away when given the chance in the Rev war.
So we're at the comparing pet ownership to human bondage part of the derail.
posted by Atreides at 12:03 PM on January 10 [10 favorites]
So we're at the comparing pet ownership to human bondage part of the derail.
posted by Atreides at 12:03 PM on January 10 [10 favorites]
i.e, they will want or crave or even just subconsciously drift towards a relationship where the waifu-in-the-jar is dominant, and the owner of the jar is subservient or submissive. While this immediately offers some great opportunities for fiction, in real life, given the type of people who might likely be doing the waifu programming, those outcomes seem likely to be far worse
I’ve met my share of subs - both the problematic weeb kind and the other kind - and honestly they’re going to need a fully ambulatory humaniform robot that when they say “step on me” (or, much worse, “step on it”) will actually, y'know, step on them/it.
Or lead them around on a dog leash …whatever they’re into. No shame, no hate, just a sardonic grin and maybe half an eyeroll.
But I’ve also met my share of doms and for better or worse I think they’d get a lot more out of this particular tech, with or without the waifu (god I fucking despise that word but it actually applies) or LLM aspects of it.
I was dead serious what I said above about an OnlyFans analogue. One of those things where the moment I said it out loud I immediately knew I’d see it become real in 2~3 years tops. And I’ve spent the time since I posted that asking myself whether the Trump era is going to leave me wanting money to keep my head above water bad enough to actually take a stab at building that product myself. Because volumetric display or not a bedside OnlyFans display jar with seamless failover to generative content based on your favorite model when they’re offline is a fucking license to print money.
And I’ve also been watching Apothecary Diaries to remind myself that anime can bring genuinely uplifting and affirming content that is openly sexual with stories of good people perservering while trapped in a transactional sexwork institution. Season 2 just dropped episode one, folks, seriously go back and rewatch Season 1 because it’s up there with Frieren and Bocchi for best show of the last five years - not best female protag (though all three are) - just best show, period.
posted by Ryvar at 12:22 PM on January 10
I’ve met my share of subs - both the problematic weeb kind and the other kind - and honestly they’re going to need a fully ambulatory humaniform robot that when they say “step on me” (or, much worse, “step on it”) will actually, y'know, step on them/it.
Or lead them around on a dog leash …whatever they’re into. No shame, no hate, just a sardonic grin and maybe half an eyeroll.
But I’ve also met my share of doms and for better or worse I think they’d get a lot more out of this particular tech, with or without the waifu (god I fucking despise that word but it actually applies) or LLM aspects of it.
I was dead serious what I said above about an OnlyFans analogue. One of those things where the moment I said it out loud I immediately knew I’d see it become real in 2~3 years tops. And I’ve spent the time since I posted that asking myself whether the Trump era is going to leave me wanting money to keep my head above water bad enough to actually take a stab at building that product myself. Because volumetric display or not a bedside OnlyFans display jar with seamless failover to generative content based on your favorite model when they’re offline is a fucking license to print money.
And I’ve also been watching Apothecary Diaries to remind myself that anime can bring genuinely uplifting and affirming content that is openly sexual with stories of good people perservering while trapped in a transactional sexwork institution. Season 2 just dropped episode one, folks, seriously go back and rewatch Season 1 because it’s up there with Frieren and Bocchi for best show of the last five years - not best female protag (though all three are) - just best show, period.
posted by Ryvar at 12:22 PM on January 10
Metafilter: Maybe the Sybian is an isolated case with nothing larger to say
posted by Balna Watya at 12:25 PM on January 10 [4 favorites]
posted by Balna Watya at 12:25 PM on January 10 [4 favorites]
One of those things where the moment I said it out loud I immediately knew I’d see it become real in 2~3 years tops.
Rules 34 & 35 continue to apply
posted by Greg_Ace at 12:59 PM on January 10 [1 favorite]
Rules 34 & 35 continue to apply
posted by Greg_Ace at 12:59 PM on January 10 [1 favorite]
nm. they say it in the first sentence.
posted by lkc at 2:56 PM on January 10 [1 favorite]
posted by lkc at 2:56 PM on January 10 [1 favorite]
This is just the Paula Abdul virtual assistant from Made For Love.
posted by LostInUbe at 4:13 PM on January 10
posted by LostInUbe at 4:13 PM on January 10
Tamagotchi‘s lived inside that key fob, and if you did not pay attention to them would become depressed. If you didn’t feed them, they would die of starvation. I don’t remember anyone being particularly upset about that.
*raises hand* i was fucking horrified by them, just the idea made me cry more than once.
posted by adrienneleigh at 12:19 AM on January 11 [3 favorites]
*raises hand* i was fucking horrified by them, just the idea made me cry more than once.
posted by adrienneleigh at 12:19 AM on January 11 [3 favorites]
And each of us could leap in with "oh FUCK no, not the animals I've shared my life with" because you were perfect.
But if we did that it'd contribute to the derail. And the examples you give are much more the fault of exploitive capitalism ruining the world than anything else. Why don't you go out into social media and decry pet ownership in any of the thousands of cute kittycat thread over there? It's because people would block your collective asses, which is a lot harder to do here!
A thread like this already has much more going on it it to talk about than this too. There is nothing stopping you from making your own thread on this topic. It's an example of why we can't have nice threads.
posted by JHarris at 11:22 AM on January 11 [4 favorites]
But if we did that it'd contribute to the derail. And the examples you give are much more the fault of exploitive capitalism ruining the world than anything else. Why don't you go out into social media and decry pet ownership in any of the thousands of cute kittycat thread over there? It's because people would block your collective asses, which is a lot harder to do here!
A thread like this already has much more going on it it to talk about than this too. There is nothing stopping you from making your own thread on this topic. It's an example of why we can't have nice threads.
posted by JHarris at 11:22 AM on January 11 [4 favorites]
... but this conversational turn is, somehow, even worse than the "pets are slaves" one?
posted by box at 1:23 PM on January 11 [1 favorite]
posted by box at 1:23 PM on January 11 [1 favorite]
But would you tolerate the confinement and control that you exercise over your pet if your neighbor was doing that to a person? Since someone brought up robot dogs vs real, keeping a rope around their neck ao that they can't stray to far or fraternize too long with others?
We do this to children. Argument to be had about whether or not we should, but that’s like… an established thing. People abuse their control over their children too. This doesn’t inherently say anything about the concept of guardianship. Whether or not we should be able to have guardianship over animals is also up for debate, but it’s perfectly socially accepted that a guardian will control where their charge is allowed to go and who they socialize with and what they eat. It’s how that’s implemented that gets fuzzy. But last I checked toddler leashes were still generally considered in the range of normal parenting.
You wouldn't eat the same cat-food for a year
I have definitely tried to do this with ham sandwiches but alas, I was prevented by my own guardians. I did manage every lunch of the school year, at least.
Also, you’re anthropomorphizing in a way that’s counter to actual animal justice. You are acting as if animals value and prefer the same things that humans do. Cats are obligate carnivores and do not, as a species, value or gain increased quality of life from variety in their diet. That’s a human thing. Animal welfare does not mean “treat animals how we want to be treated.” That’s where you get blueberry pumpkin cat food and other nonsense that imposes human values on animals instead of seeking to understand and meet them as their own beings who experience the world very differently from us.
Anyway, I am an evil person who would keep a tiny virtual Warframe in a jar on my desk if that were an option.
posted by brook horse at 1:26 PM on January 11 [8 favorites]
We do this to children. Argument to be had about whether or not we should, but that’s like… an established thing. People abuse their control over their children too. This doesn’t inherently say anything about the concept of guardianship. Whether or not we should be able to have guardianship over animals is also up for debate, but it’s perfectly socially accepted that a guardian will control where their charge is allowed to go and who they socialize with and what they eat. It’s how that’s implemented that gets fuzzy. But last I checked toddler leashes were still generally considered in the range of normal parenting.
You wouldn't eat the same cat-food for a year
I have definitely tried to do this with ham sandwiches but alas, I was prevented by my own guardians. I did manage every lunch of the school year, at least.
Also, you’re anthropomorphizing in a way that’s counter to actual animal justice. You are acting as if animals value and prefer the same things that humans do. Cats are obligate carnivores and do not, as a species, value or gain increased quality of life from variety in their diet. That’s a human thing. Animal welfare does not mean “treat animals how we want to be treated.” That’s where you get blueberry pumpkin cat food and other nonsense that imposes human values on animals instead of seeking to understand and meet them as their own beings who experience the world very differently from us.
Anyway, I am an evil person who would keep a tiny virtual Warframe in a jar on my desk if that were an option.
posted by brook horse at 1:26 PM on January 11 [8 favorites]
Cats are obligate carnivores and do not, as a species, value or gain increased quality of life from variety in their diet.
Well ACTUALLY my cat decided to add a bit of plastic christmas tree to his diet this winter, for variety. (It did not increase his quality of life, nor the carpet's.)
posted by mittens at 4:34 PM on January 11 [6 favorites]
Well ACTUALLY my cat decided to add a bit of plastic christmas tree to his diet this winter, for variety. (It did not increase his quality of life, nor the carpet's.)
posted by mittens at 4:34 PM on January 11 [6 favorites]
I feel like they should have styled it like this classic pixiv meme: You may bottle anything, a mostly sfw gallery. On the other hand, we know what happens when a waifu gets put in a jar. ...less sfw.
posted by lucidium at 4:47 PM on January 11
posted by lucidium at 4:47 PM on January 11
Mod note: Extreme derailing deleted (pet ownership is equivalent to slavery, torture, abuse), also some stuff about keeping other members in jars (joking, yeah? but let's not. Thanks). Sorry, mod gap. Let's go back to the original discussion, please.
posted by taz (staff) at 9:16 PM on January 11 [4 favorites]
posted by taz (staff) at 9:16 PM on January 11 [4 favorites]
If you find the idea of waifu in a jar disturbing, I fear you may just lose your mind when you hear about Janitor In A Drum and "Prince Albert in a can".
posted by zaixfeep at 2:16 AM on January 12 [1 favorite]
posted by zaixfeep at 2:16 AM on January 12 [1 favorite]
Is your refrigerator running? Is it running from you?
posted by mittens at 5:13 AM on January 12 [2 favorites]
posted by mittens at 5:13 AM on January 12 [2 favorites]
also some stuff about keeping other members in jars (joking, yeah? but let's not. Thanks)
Thank you for deleting that but not the follow up comment where I clarified the jar was full of piss. This will definitely help future readers.
The no climate guy does shit like this in every thread, then gets memory holed so never has to be accountable for old bad behavior when they go and do it again a few days later. Any proactive moderation happening around that?
posted by phunniemee at 5:20 AM on January 12 [7 favorites]
Thank you for deleting that but not the follow up comment where I clarified the jar was full of piss. This will definitely help future readers.
The no climate guy does shit like this in every thread, then gets memory holed so never has to be accountable for old bad behavior when they go and do it again a few days later. Any proactive moderation happening around that?
posted by phunniemee at 5:20 AM on January 12 [7 favorites]
Mittens, my family once had a dog we called Bad Refrigerator -- because the hotter it got the harder he would run. And he was completely spoiled inside.
posted by zaixfeep at 5:25 AM on January 12 [3 favorites]
posted by zaixfeep at 5:25 AM on January 12 [3 favorites]
Mod note: okay, phunniemee, I've deleted that your jar was full of piss. Sorry, my bad. (inconveniently, this thread wasn't the one and only thing happening at the time, so it usually helps if people either flag their own thing when that happens, or just try to not to do it in the first place. And how much we delete or ban is not a set issue at this moment; mods are trying to be what we're being asked to be until all that can be decided.)
posted by taz (staff) at 7:44 AM on January 12 [2 favorites]
posted by taz (staff) at 7:44 AM on January 12 [2 favorites]
Thanks and kudos to taz for taking the piss out of this thread. :-)
posted by zaixfeep at 8:07 AM on January 12 [5 favorites]
posted by zaixfeep at 8:07 AM on January 12 [5 favorites]
Starting a countdown to the arrest of some poor otaku who chose Makima as his Emotional Support Anime Girl and asked her for advice. And followed that advice.
[Little sorry the derail is gone--BND account, or genuinely new user who knows exactly which Mefite buttons to push?]
posted by betweenthebars at 12:42 PM on January 12
[Little sorry the derail is gone--BND account, or genuinely new user who knows exactly which Mefite buttons to push?]
posted by betweenthebars at 12:42 PM on January 12
Don't know, but I gather it's an axe they've ground before?
posted by JHarris at 4:32 PM on January 16
posted by JHarris at 4:32 PM on January 16
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