September 10 US Presidential Debate thread in FanFare
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National Debate Watch Party with Gov. Tim Walz
Before I take the stage tonight, join supporters nationwide for a virtual watch party with Governor Tim Walz.
posted by Rhaomi at 4:15 PM on September 10 [4 favorites]
Before I take the stage tonight, join supporters nationwide for a virtual watch party with Governor Tim Walz.
posted by Rhaomi at 4:15 PM on September 10 [4 favorites]
Oh cool, I was just going to spend this time drinking and crying, but together sounds so much nicer.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 5:24 PM on September 10 [14 favorites]
posted by DirtyOldTown at 5:24 PM on September 10 [14 favorites]
Sobbing and swilling with you, DOT.
posted by mollweide at 5:40 PM on September 10 [3 favorites]
posted by mollweide at 5:40 PM on September 10 [3 favorites]
ABC News is like, "This incredibly brilliant woman and the president she has served with have made occasional missteps. Might we be better off with a demented, racist, insane person who is stupid as hell?"
posted by DirtyOldTown at 5:41 PM on September 10 [40 favorites]
posted by DirtyOldTown at 5:41 PM on September 10 [40 favorites]
It feels like whether we are going to end democracy is a coin toss and we are all lining up to watch the coin fly through the air.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 5:50 PM on September 10 [15 favorites]
posted by DirtyOldTown at 5:50 PM on September 10 [15 favorites]
Reince Priebus is an AI-generated name.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 5:57 PM on September 10 [11 favorites]
posted by DirtyOldTown at 5:57 PM on September 10 [11 favorites]
It is hard enough to take "centrist voters" seriously when Republicans say "You were better off when we were last in charge" and they act like this is debatable when any sober consideration would indicate that is not true. But this time, the GOP is saying that and the last time they were in charge, the economy was destroyed, none of us could leave our homes, and everyone's grandma was dying a horrible death. So how am I supposed to treat those people like they're not total dipshits this time?
posted by DirtyOldTown at 6:04 PM on September 10 [9 favorites]
posted by DirtyOldTown at 6:04 PM on September 10 [9 favorites]
Can I just take a moment to scream here? "Why is he still on the ballot‽‽!"
Thank you.
posted by mollweide at 6:08 PM on September 10 [15 favorites]
Thank you.
posted by mollweide at 6:08 PM on September 10 [15 favorites]
He sounds mildly stupid but not floridly, indisputably insane, therefore the press is going to say he won.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 6:15 PM on September 10 [5 favorites]
posted by DirtyOldTown at 6:15 PM on September 10 [5 favorites]
Debate standards:
Trump didn't crap his own pants.
Harris pronounced her own name wrong and was over prepared.
Trump won!
I hate this crap.
posted by mollweide at 6:16 PM on September 10 [6 favorites]
Trump didn't crap his own pants.
Harris pronounced her own name wrong and was over prepared.
Trump won!
I hate this crap.
posted by mollweide at 6:16 PM on September 10 [6 favorites]
How does he get away with this "execution of living babies" thing over and over?
posted by DirtyOldTown at 6:18 PM on September 10 [12 favorites]
posted by DirtyOldTown at 6:18 PM on September 10 [12 favorites]
If you're looking for something else to watch instead, Animal Planet is running a two-hour-long profile of the fly that landed on Mike Pence's head four years ago.
posted by NotMyselfRightNow at 6:23 PM on September 10 [7 favorites]
posted by NotMyselfRightNow at 6:23 PM on September 10 [7 favorites]
"I have been a leader in fertilization"
posted by DirtyOldTown at 6:27 PM on September 10 [9 favorites]
posted by DirtyOldTown at 6:27 PM on September 10 [9 favorites]
What are we drinking on? I think 'lie' is a good choice—
posted by newdaddy at 6:27 PM on September 10
posted by newdaddy at 6:27 PM on September 10
Oh shit, she just baited him on crowd size and he just stepped in it like a total dipshit.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 6:29 PM on September 10 [13 favorites]
posted by DirtyOldTown at 6:29 PM on September 10 [13 favorites]
Eatin dogs & cats? The moderator is actually fact-checking Trump, never thought I'd see that?
posted by ovvl at 6:32 PM on September 10 [9 favorites]
posted by ovvl at 6:32 PM on September 10 [9 favorites]
Total chaos, cats and dogs being eaten together
posted by snuffleupagus at 6:32 PM on September 10 [17 favorites]
posted by snuffleupagus at 6:32 PM on September 10 [17 favorites]
Enjoying this so far
posted by kensington314 at 6:32 PM on September 10 [2 favorites]
posted by kensington314 at 6:32 PM on September 10 [2 favorites]
I drink every time the camera is on him.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 6:33 PM on September 10 [3 favorites]
posted by DirtyOldTown at 6:33 PM on September 10 [3 favorites]
Please spread this far and wide: the Haitians eating cats thing started with a Neo Nazi.
On August 27th, a Neo Nazi living in Maine traveled to Ohio to start this shit.
We have the GOP doing the utmost to amplify a rumor started by a Neo nazi.
posted by ocschwar at 6:35 PM on September 10 [13 favorites]
On August 27th, a Neo Nazi living in Maine traveled to Ohio to start this shit.
We have the GOP doing the utmost to amplify a rumor started by a Neo nazi.
posted by ocschwar at 6:35 PM on September 10 [13 favorites]
Yeah, I mean, at this point, I just drink. He's really on the ballot?
posted by mollweide at 6:36 PM on September 10 [3 favorites]
posted by mollweide at 6:36 PM on September 10 [3 favorites]
[SHRIEKING]
posted by DirtyOldTown at 6:38 PM on September 10 [3 favorites]
posted by DirtyOldTown at 6:38 PM on September 10 [3 favorites]
"Defund the police she's been against that for years" - he even gets his own lies backwards :-)
posted by mbo at 6:43 PM on September 10 [8 favorites]
posted by mbo at 6:43 PM on September 10 [8 favorites]
It's just bizarre to me that so many people are going along with their own lives, like none of this is actually happening. The US is having an election that decides whether we descend in fascism now, or maybe reverse course, and most people are just like, whatever.
posted by mollweide at 6:43 PM on September 10 [23 favorites]
posted by mollweide at 6:43 PM on September 10 [23 favorites]
SHE'S GONNA DO TRANSGENDER OPERATIONS ON ILLEGAL ALIENS
posted by kensington314 at 6:43 PM on September 10 [11 favorites]
posted by kensington314 at 6:43 PM on September 10 [11 favorites]
Big if true!
posted by mazola at 6:44 PM on September 10 [5 favorites]
posted by mazola at 6:44 PM on September 10 [5 favorites]
Sounds like MAGA madlibs
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 6:47 PM on September 10 [5 favorites]
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 6:47 PM on September 10 [5 favorites]
Trump is not the problem. The voters who support a Trump or a reasonable facsimile are the problem. Not sure what the cure might be, if any...
posted by jim in austin at 6:50 PM on September 10 [4 favorites]
posted by jim in austin at 6:50 PM on September 10 [4 favorites]
Fired by 81 million people and having a very hard time processing that
Hahahaha
posted by kensington314 at 6:54 PM on September 10 [24 favorites]
Hahahaha
posted by kensington314 at 6:54 PM on September 10 [24 favorites]
"Donald Trump was fired by 81 million people."
posted by DirtyOldTown at 6:54 PM on September 10 [14 favorites]
posted by DirtyOldTown at 6:54 PM on September 10 [14 favorites]
She is eating his lunch btw
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 6:55 PM on September 10 [5 favorites]
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 6:55 PM on September 10 [5 favorites]
Omg he just name checked Orban
posted by supermedusa at 6:56 PM on September 10 [7 favorites]
posted by supermedusa at 6:56 PM on September 10 [7 favorites]
The headline is gonna be that he used the "I'm talking" line against her. Because it's the dumbest possible take.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 6:59 PM on September 10 [6 favorites]
posted by DirtyOldTown at 6:59 PM on September 10 [6 favorites]
Missed opportunity for Harris to say, “In other words, no, Donald Trump does not regret anything about January 6.”
Moderators are doing a good job of pressing Trump on questions he clearly doesn’t want to answer.
posted by emelenjr at 7:01 PM on September 10 [10 favorites]
Moderators are doing a good job of pressing Trump on questions he clearly doesn’t want to answer.
posted by emelenjr at 7:01 PM on September 10 [10 favorites]
I hate that the moderators keep letting Trump go "I need to respond" and giving him extra time. He's gotten at least five minutes over Harris.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 7:01 PM on September 10 [23 favorites]
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 7:01 PM on September 10 [23 favorites]
SPHERES OF TERRAH!
posted by biblioPHL at 7:02 PM on September 10 [4 favorites]
posted by biblioPHL at 7:02 PM on September 10 [4 favorites]
Trump referred to the Jan 6 rioters as “we”
posted by mbo at 7:07 PM on September 10 [26 favorites]
posted by mbo at 7:07 PM on September 10 [26 favorites]
I’m not entirely certain TFG hasn’t pooped his pants onstage already (and there’s another half to go!).
posted by mazola at 7:09 PM on September 10 [4 favorites]
posted by mazola at 7:09 PM on September 10 [4 favorites]
The head of the Taliban is not called "Abdul"
posted by mbo at 7:25 PM on September 10 [7 favorites]
posted by mbo at 7:25 PM on September 10 [7 favorites]
"Abdul" was in power until 2013.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 7:31 PM on September 10 [1 favorite]
posted by DirtyOldTown at 7:31 PM on September 10 [1 favorite]
Incredibly depressing on climate change. The Democrat thinks they need to pretend more gas and cars is the solution; the Republican doesn't even mention it and just keeps spewing garbage.
posted by sindark at 7:36 PM on September 10 [9 favorites]
posted by sindark at 7:36 PM on September 10 [9 favorites]
Uh.
McCain died in 2018. Obama was inaugurated in 2009. Trump says McCain fought against Obamacare for ten years.
Uh huh.
This is in no way the most serious lie, but it's so fricken weird and just mathematically impossible.
posted by meese at 7:36 PM on September 10 [7 favorites]
McCain died in 2018. Obama was inaugurated in 2009. Trump says McCain fought against Obamacare for ten years.
Uh huh.
This is in no way the most serious lie, but it's so fricken weird and just mathematically impossible.
posted by meese at 7:36 PM on September 10 [7 favorites]
Why are they letting Trump interrupt and get the last word whenever he wants to? It seems like he's had more speaking time overall than Harris.
posted by TreeHugger at 7:36 PM on September 10 [12 favorites]
posted by TreeHugger at 7:36 PM on September 10 [12 favorites]
My current watch-style of this is : when I see TFG's mouth open, I mute. There is literally nothing he will ever say that matters at all. And I mean that whether you support him or not, there is nothing - at this point - that he will spit-shout from his hateful little gaping maw that will suddenly change your opinion from one side to the other.
And, Cosmos-willing, when he loses again, he will never say anything of consequence again because nothing he says after that will have any affect on the lives outside of anyone dumb enough to be in his orbit by their own greedy volition.
posted by revmitcz at 7:37 PM on September 10 [11 favorites]
And, Cosmos-willing, when he loses again, he will never say anything of consequence again because nothing he says after that will have any affect on the lives outside of anyone dumb enough to be in his orbit by their own greedy volition.
posted by revmitcz at 7:37 PM on September 10 [11 favorites]
He has had more speaking time overall - CNN's clocking it.
posted by Iris Gambol at 7:42 PM on September 10 [6 favorites]
posted by Iris Gambol at 7:42 PM on September 10 [6 favorites]
Meh
Three extra minutes to hang himself with weirdo gibberish
posted by kensington314 at 7:45 PM on September 10 [17 favorites]
Three extra minutes to hang himself with weirdo gibberish
posted by kensington314 at 7:45 PM on September 10 [17 favorites]
One thought about the last response from TFG... despite likey being more lies , does it concern anyone at a governmental level that he claims to be meeting with other world leaders when he has no position in leadership? Sounds to me like there needs to be an announced investigation a few days before the election.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 7:49 PM on September 10 [13 favorites]
posted by JakeEXTREME at 7:49 PM on September 10 [13 favorites]
Tay Tay finally endorses? Can anyone else confirm they saw a chiron scroll by saying this?
posted by kensington314 at 8:10 PM on September 10 [4 favorites]
posted by kensington314 at 8:10 PM on September 10 [4 favorites]
Yes Tay endorses just after close of debate.
posted by CostcoCultist at 8:14 PM on September 10 [3 favorites]
posted by CostcoCultist at 8:14 PM on September 10 [3 favorites]
One quick fact check:
Trump claimed that a large percentage of Seattle was taken over during the CHAZ/CHOP protest in 2020.
The City of Seattle covers 217.54 sq km of land. Seattle's Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone (CHAZ) or Capitol Hill Organized Protest (CHOP) covered an area of 0.078 sqkm, 0.036% of the city.
posted by neuracnu at 8:17 PM on September 10 [13 favorites]
Trump claimed that a large percentage of Seattle was taken over during the CHAZ/CHOP protest in 2020.
The City of Seattle covers 217.54 sq km of land. Seattle's Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone (CHAZ) or Capitol Hill Organized Protest (CHOP) covered an area of 0.078 sqkm, 0.036% of the city.
posted by neuracnu at 8:17 PM on September 10 [13 favorites]
Not only did she endorse, she signed of as a childless cat lady (with a photo of her holding a cat)
Loving tonight - inject it direct into my veins forever.
posted by inflatablekiwi at 8:21 PM on September 10 [16 favorites]
Loving tonight - inject it direct into my veins forever.
posted by inflatablekiwi at 8:21 PM on September 10 [16 favorites]
Guess she's a fan of transgender operations on illegal aliens
posted by kensington314 at 8:24 PM on September 10 [2 favorites]
posted by kensington314 at 8:24 PM on September 10 [2 favorites]
Recall that the Harris campaign was asking for unmuted mics to allow Trump to go off the rails and show the country how unhinged he is. Many thought that the muted mics in the Biden debate allowed all of the focus to remain on Biden's cognitive decline rather than let Trump bully the man.
My impression is that ABC giving him more speaking time was both the moderators silently complying with the Harris campaign request and Harris wanting to turn the tables on Trump.
posted by bl1nk at 8:26 PM on September 10 [22 favorites]
My impression is that ABC giving him more speaking time was both the moderators silently complying with the Harris campaign request and Harris wanting to turn the tables on Trump.
posted by bl1nk at 8:26 PM on September 10 [22 favorites]
Lol they timed the Taylor endorsement to coincide with the debate, I presume to double down on the media exposure.
posted by mhum at 8:43 PM on September 10 [3 favorites]
posted by mhum at 8:43 PM on September 10 [3 favorites]
as the Drudge Report leads with ...
THE NIGHT TRUMP LOST IT ALL...
posted by philip-random at 8:54 PM on September 10 [5 favorites]
THE NIGHT TRUMP LOST IT ALL...
posted by philip-random at 8:54 PM on September 10 [5 favorites]
I love that both present knew who was losing so soon after they started to all the way to the end. That must have so hurt. And goodbye rematch. He knows he lost and knows she knows he lost and knows that he knows it too. A dagger to his little heart. Oh, the schadenfreudeanity!
posted by y2karl at 9:03 PM on September 10 [6 favorites]
posted by y2karl at 9:03 PM on September 10 [6 favorites]
Perhaps I misremember, but was it not transgender operations on illegal aliens... in prison?!
('Cause that rules.)
posted by zoinks at 9:04 PM on September 10 [5 favorites]
('Cause that rules.)
posted by zoinks at 9:04 PM on September 10 [5 favorites]
I kinda can't believe he actually used the cats thing in the debate. I thought it was a pretty crazy when Vance floated it the other day, and I would have thought by now someone in his orbit would have tipped everybody off that the eating pets thing was bogus and should be avoided.
posted by Reverend John at 9:07 PM on September 10 [6 favorites]
posted by Reverend John at 9:07 PM on September 10 [6 favorites]
Is it schadenfreude if you don't feel any shaden?
posted by Silentgoldfish at 9:23 PM on September 10 [7 favorites]
posted by Silentgoldfish at 9:23 PM on September 10 [7 favorites]
A quick thing about "I saw it on television. "
This is part of how misinformation works.
Step 1: invent a lie
Step 2: repeat the lie a bunch in public
Step 3: repeat it enough that somebody runs something about the lie on TV
Step 4: use the fact that it was on TV as evidence that it must be true
posted by Joey Michaels at 9:24 PM on September 10 [43 favorites]
This is part of how misinformation works.
Step 1: invent a lie
Step 2: repeat the lie a bunch in public
Step 3: repeat it enough that somebody runs something about the lie on TV
Step 4: use the fact that it was on TV as evidence that it must be true
posted by Joey Michaels at 9:24 PM on September 10 [43 favorites]
"This is part of how misinformation works."
First I really took note of this was the absolute obvious push by W admin. for Iraq War.
posted by zoinks at 9:28 PM on September 10 [5 favorites]
First I really took note of this was the absolute obvious push by W admin. for Iraq War.
posted by zoinks at 9:28 PM on September 10 [5 favorites]
I had rehearsal tonight, l got to watch the first 15 or so and then listened to it streaming off my phone for another 25. What did I miss?
posted by jenfullmoon at 9:35 PM on September 10 [1 favorite]
posted by jenfullmoon at 9:35 PM on September 10 [1 favorite]
The Trump Hindenburg
posted by pee tape at 9:44 PM on September 10 [13 favorites]
posted by pee tape at 9:44 PM on September 10 [13 favorites]
speaking of misinformation, let's start spreading the "news" that the FBI is now considering Trump a flight risk?
posted by philip-random at 10:06 PM on September 10 [10 favorites]
That's quite the front page of Politico, savaging TFG, this morning. Screenshotted and posted for posterity.
posted by Wordshore at 11:12 PM on September 10 [6 favorites]
posted by Wordshore at 11:12 PM on September 10 [6 favorites]
looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election#Results
Doing some math in ChatGPT, here's an analysis of how much it'll take to swing these states to Harris:
I'd do the same for close Biden states, but I want to preserve what's left of my sanity.
Doing some math in ChatGPT, here's an analysis of how much it'll take to swing these states to Harris:
I'd do the same for close Biden states, but I want to preserve what's left of my sanity.
| State | Biden Votes | Biden % | Trump Votes | Trump % | Votes to Flip | Trump Votes Swinging | |-----------------|-------------|---------|-------------|---------|---------------|----------------------| | North Carolina | 2,684,292 | 48.59 | 2,758,775 | 49.93 | 37,242 | 1 out of 74 | | Florida | 5,297,045 | 47.86 | 5,668,731 | 51.22 | 185,843 | 1 out of 31 | | Texas | 5,259,126 | 46.48 | 5,890,347 | 52.06 | 315,611 | 1 out of 19 |posted by torokunai at 11:47 PM on September 10 [1 favorite]
Show me on the doll where the vice president punked you.
posted by kirkaracha at 12:09 AM on September 11
posted by kirkaracha at 12:09 AM on September 11
ChatGPT can't do math, don't use it for that.
posted by parm at 12:44 AM on September 11 [63 favorites]
posted by parm at 12:44 AM on September 11 [63 favorites]
I already knew how I was voting well before the debate. I tuned in for five minutes and unfortunately, it was when Trump was speaking about ... I have no idea. So I turned out again. There's only so much incoherent rambling I can tolerate.
posted by JustSayNoDawg at 1:42 AM on September 11 [8 favorites]
posted by JustSayNoDawg at 1:42 AM on September 11 [8 favorites]
Doing some math in ChatGPT,
I'm sorry but that phrase is just cursed.
posted by OnceUponATime at 4:19 AM on September 11 [39 favorites]
I'm sorry but that phrase is just cursed.
posted by OnceUponATime at 4:19 AM on September 11 [39 favorites]
"Donald Trump had a really, really bad debate." - New Yorker.
Here's an extract:
Harris’s bet was that Trump would say a lot of crazy and unhinged stuff if she got him going. It was a safe bet. I’ve watched every Presidential debate for the past two decades, and I can’t think of anything that ranks higher in pure stupidity than Trump ranting and raving to a national audience about immigrants supposedly eating people’s cats and dogs. His line about how the Vice-President “wants to do transgender operations on illegal aliens that are in prison” was pretty memorable, too. What the hell was he talking about? No one knows, which was, of course, exactly Harris’s point. Trump was so unprepared for the debate that even he himself did not seem to know what he was saying at times. Asked to describe his proposal for jettisoning Obamacare and replacing it with something better, Trump tried to blame Democrats for the fact he didn’t have one yet. Rather, he said, “I have concepts of a plan.” Yeah, right.
posted by Paul Slade at 4:23 AM on September 11 [20 favorites]
Here's an extract:
Harris’s bet was that Trump would say a lot of crazy and unhinged stuff if she got him going. It was a safe bet. I’ve watched every Presidential debate for the past two decades, and I can’t think of anything that ranks higher in pure stupidity than Trump ranting and raving to a national audience about immigrants supposedly eating people’s cats and dogs. His line about how the Vice-President “wants to do transgender operations on illegal aliens that are in prison” was pretty memorable, too. What the hell was he talking about? No one knows, which was, of course, exactly Harris’s point. Trump was so unprepared for the debate that even he himself did not seem to know what he was saying at times. Asked to describe his proposal for jettisoning Obamacare and replacing it with something better, Trump tried to blame Democrats for the fact he didn’t have one yet. Rather, he said, “I have concepts of a plan.” Yeah, right.
posted by Paul Slade at 4:23 AM on September 11 [20 favorites]
Doing some math in ChatGPT, .....
flagged for bullshit.
posted by lalochezia at 4:26 AM on September 11 [21 favorites]
I hate that the moderators keep letting Trump go "I need to respond" and giving him extra time. He's gotten at least five minutes over Harris.
I doubt Harris and her campaign minded at all. Giving him extra time to rant and take her bait and show the American people what an unhinged, babbling fool he is played right into her hands.
posted by Gelatin at 5:02 AM on September 11 [8 favorites]
I doubt Harris and her campaign minded at all. Giving him extra time to rant and take her bait and show the American people what an unhinged, babbling fool he is played right into her hands.
posted by Gelatin at 5:02 AM on September 11 [8 favorites]
He told viewers of Fox and Friends that he had polls showing he had won the debate “by 80-20, 90, we we have one here, 92 to seven. And I sort of believe that’s right”. Trump did not name the polls.A poll of your family members doesn't count, Donald.
posted by Absolutely No You-Know-What at 5:15 AM on September 11 [7 favorites]
I know under International Trolling Association rules it doesn't count as a win until your opponent rage quits, but Harris really delivered a TKO last night.
posted by RonButNotStupid at 6:12 AM on September 11 [5 favorites]
posted by RonButNotStupid at 6:12 AM on September 11 [5 favorites]
Guess she's a fan of transgender operations on illegal aliensso the funny thing is that Harris actually did speak at an ACLU fundraiser about her support for offering gender transition surgery to detained migrants who wanted it but it's a fascinating case study of the funhouse mirror that is the 4chan and the MAGA-sphere that a completely banal talking point ("migrants should receive the healthcare that they need") turns into this completely unhinged and laughable meme when presented by Trump.
posted by bl1nk at 6:15 AM on September 11 [12 favorites]
MPR news basically says Trump fucked it up from beginning to end and positively called out the moderators.
A nice sane piece IMO.
edited to add: MPR = Minnesota Public Radio
posted by Emmy Rae at 6:47 AM on September 11 [8 favorites]
A nice sane piece IMO.
edited to add: MPR = Minnesota Public Radio
posted by Emmy Rae at 6:47 AM on September 11 [8 favorites]
I doubt Harris and her campaign minded at all. Giving him extra time to rant and take her bait and show the American people what an unhinged, babbling fool he is played right into her hands.
It also made all 20 people I watched it with so infuriated at the monitors for allowing it that it gave the impression that Harris won even with the moderators' thumbs clearly on the scale for Trump.
BTW, to whoever did it, please do not use ChatGPT for math, or anything else. Just delete it.
posted by outgrown_hobnail at 6:52 AM on September 11 [9 favorites]
It also made all 20 people I watched it with so infuriated at the monitors for allowing it that it gave the impression that Harris won even with the moderators' thumbs clearly on the scale for Trump.
BTW, to whoever did it, please do not use ChatGPT for math, or anything else. Just delete it.
posted by outgrown_hobnail at 6:52 AM on September 11 [9 favorites]
Mod note: Just a note that we're leaving up the comment about ChatGPT being using for math because there's been several comments about why it should not be used for that.
posted by Brandon Blatcher (staff) at 7:02 AM on September 11 [12 favorites]
posted by Brandon Blatcher (staff) at 7:02 AM on September 11 [12 favorites]
Minor point, but the above MPR link was a reposting of an NPR (National Public Radio) piece by Domenico Montanaro and is also on the NPR site (good!).
posted by mcstayinskool at 7:08 AM on September 11 [4 favorites]
posted by mcstayinskool at 7:08 AM on September 11 [4 favorites]
It also made all 20 people I watched it with so infuriated at the monitors for allowing it that it gave the impression that Harris won even with the moderators' thumbs clearly on the scale for Trump.
I agree, it was obvious that the moderators (or whoever was in charge of turning the microphones back on) were yielding to Trump's demands for a rebuttal to everything Harris said, so the general perception that she won is on top of the moderators giving Trump an unearned advantage. (Though like I said, given that he dug himself deeper the more he ran his yap, I am sure her prep team gamed that scenario out already.)
posted by Gelatin at 7:18 AM on September 11 [4 favorites]
I agree, it was obvious that the moderators (or whoever was in charge of turning the microphones back on) were yielding to Trump's demands for a rebuttal to everything Harris said, so the general perception that she won is on top of the moderators giving Trump an unearned advantage. (Though like I said, given that he dug himself deeper the more he ran his yap, I am sure her prep team gamed that scenario out already.)
posted by Gelatin at 7:18 AM on September 11 [4 favorites]
"giving Trump an unearned advantage" = "giving him enough rope to hang himself with"
I mean, the mods knew what he'd do if they let him go. And they also knew if they cut him off they'd be accused of silencing/censoring him by the right. So, they just let the man rant, and factchecked as he went. In the end, the debate is intended to give americans a better idea of who the candidates are. I'd say this debate succeeded brilliantly.
posted by Thorzdad at 7:49 AM on September 11 [14 favorites]
I mean, the mods knew what he'd do if they let him go. And they also knew if they cut him off they'd be accused of silencing/censoring him by the right. So, they just let the man rant, and factchecked as he went. In the end, the debate is intended to give americans a better idea of who the candidates are. I'd say this debate succeeded brilliantly.
posted by Thorzdad at 7:49 AM on September 11 [14 favorites]
The Trump Hindenburg
Oh the huge man-titties.
posted by bonehead at 7:54 AM on September 11 [18 favorites]
Oh the huge man-titties.
posted by bonehead at 7:54 AM on September 11 [18 favorites]
I agree that allowing Trump to put his foolishness on display was probably the right call, but I am annoyed that when Harris repeatedly ask for an opportunity to respond to his blatant lies they suddenly found their ability to say "no".
Also, I really really wish they had called out his failure to address the topic of the last question, climate change, in his response.
posted by Reverend John at 9:14 AM on September 11 [11 favorites]
Also, I really really wish they had called out his failure to address the topic of the last question, climate change, in his response.
posted by Reverend John at 9:14 AM on September 11 [11 favorites]
speaking of misinformation, let's start spreading the "news" that the FBI is now considering Trump a flight risk?
speaking of which ...
Jack Smith Should Move Now to Make Trump Give Up Passport: Ex-Prosecutor
posted by philip-random at 9:37 AM on September 11 [6 favorites]
speaking of which ...
Jack Smith Should Move Now to Make Trump Give Up Passport: Ex-Prosecutor
posted by philip-random at 9:37 AM on September 11 [6 favorites]
We opened a local Dem campaign office this week, a fair bit of effort. So, of course, I said, Let's have a combined Open House and segue into a Debate Watch Party. Lots of work. I did this because I wanted to watch the debate with Dem Friends. It was great - 10 - 12 people, lots of whooping and hollering.
He wore the debate hosts down with bullying and yelling, but they were better than most.
posted by theora55 at 9:39 AM on September 11 [5 favorites]
He wore the debate hosts down with bullying and yelling, but they were better than most.
posted by theora55 at 9:39 AM on September 11 [5 favorites]
FactCheck.org: FactChecking the Harris-Trump Debate is pretty good on calling out Trump, and pretty nitpicky about Harris.
posted by kirkaracha at 9:48 AM on September 11 [4 favorites]
Harris claimed that Trump “wants to be a dictator on Day 1,” but the former president has said that he was joking when he said he would be a dictator for one day.The moderators fact-checked him on his baby-murder bullshit, but didn't correct his misidentifying the governor of Virginia as the governor of West Virginia.
posted by kirkaracha at 9:48 AM on September 11 [4 favorites]
The German Foreign Office simultaneously fact checks and trolls Trump over at the hellsite. Hilarious. [Mastodon]
posted by mazola at 9:58 AM on September 11 [3 favorites]
posted by mazola at 9:58 AM on September 11 [3 favorites]
For the Canadian Media perspective
Global News:
What happened at the Harris-Trump debate? Here are the key takeaways
The National Post:
Harris-Trump debate started with a handshake, then things turned disagreeable
Who won the U.S. presidential debate? Trump says he did 'by a lot'
Toronto Star:
She scored, and he rambled. How Kamala Harris finally cornered Donald Trump in a fiery debate
[Opinion] ‘They’re eating the dogs!’ Inside Donald Trump’s terrifying, absurd, and just maybe disastrous debate
CBC
Harris toys with Trump in U.S. presidential debate
posted by cirhosis at 10:00 AM on September 11 [3 favorites]
Global News:
What happened at the Harris-Trump debate? Here are the key takeaways
The National Post:
Harris-Trump debate started with a handshake, then things turned disagreeable
Who won the U.S. presidential debate? Trump says he did 'by a lot'
Toronto Star:
She scored, and he rambled. How Kamala Harris finally cornered Donald Trump in a fiery debate
[Opinion] ‘They’re eating the dogs!’ Inside Donald Trump’s terrifying, absurd, and just maybe disastrous debate
CBC
Harris toys with Trump in U.S. presidential debate
posted by cirhosis at 10:00 AM on September 11 [3 favorites]
Republicans dismayed by Trump’s ‘bad’ and ‘unprepared’ debate performance: GOP lawmakers and analysts virtually unanimous that Trump was second best to Harris in first presidential debate [The Guardian]
“I’m just sad,” one House Republican told the Hill. “She knew exactly where to cut to get under his skin. Just overall disappointing that he isn’t being more composed like the first debate. The road just got very narrow. This is not good.”posted by mazola at 10:07 AM on September 11 [5 favorites]
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“The headline for the next few days will be how he lost this thing,” one GOP representative told Politico. “I expect him to do something drastic, whether it’s a campaign shake-up or some other wild antic, by the end of the week to change the upcoming news cycle.”
It is definitively shown that the more Trump talks in one block, the less people like him. Letting him ramble incoherently is exactly what the Harris/Walz campaign wanted since they specifically wanted the mics left on. The handlers of Trump demanded they stay off.
Trump could not help himself and ruined what his handlers had arranged.
It’s baffling to me that people think “more time” helped THIS GUY. I can bring up any “rebuttal” from last night and after hearing it, the impression won’t be better. She knew the specific needle jabs to deliver that would make him rant for 2-3 minutes at a time.
posted by OnTheLastCastle at 10:09 AM on September 11 [9 favorites]
Trump could not help himself and ruined what his handlers had arranged.
It’s baffling to me that people think “more time” helped THIS GUY. I can bring up any “rebuttal” from last night and after hearing it, the impression won’t be better. She knew the specific needle jabs to deliver that would make him rant for 2-3 minutes at a time.
posted by OnTheLastCastle at 10:09 AM on September 11 [9 favorites]
people seem to view the moderators' inability to rein Trump in as a plus (for Harris) based on an assumption that most people think an aging white male aggressively over-talking others looks bad. That again, a white male saying often incoherent things and outright lies, with confidence, and despite two people in the room telling him to move on (and not cutting his mic), looks bad for Team Trump and works in Harris's favour.
a percentage of voters saw something else, they saw something that made sense to them, and it makes sense that when Trump has things to say he gets to say it. It makes sense that Harris shuts up when she is told to shut up.
we can hope that there are not enough of those people to put Trump back in office. but just the fact of how close this is should give anyone pause before they make confident statements about who won anything.
posted by ginger.beef at 10:21 AM on September 11 [10 favorites]
a percentage of voters saw something else, they saw something that made sense to them, and it makes sense that when Trump has things to say he gets to say it. It makes sense that Harris shuts up when she is told to shut up.
we can hope that there are not enough of those people to put Trump back in office. but just the fact of how close this is should give anyone pause before they make confident statements about who won anything.
posted by ginger.beef at 10:21 AM on September 11 [10 favorites]
I think it's safe to say that Harris won the debate. But that's meaningless if she doesn't also win the election, which is far from a done deal. In fact, if it's an even remotely close result, the aftermath is going to be ugly indeed.
So yeah, last night felt right, but duty now for the future -- get those votes out. Annihilate Trumpism once and for all.
posted by philip-random at 10:48 AM on September 11 [8 favorites]
So yeah, last night felt right, but duty now for the future -- get those votes out. Annihilate Trumpism once and for all.
posted by philip-random at 10:48 AM on September 11 [8 favorites]
@KamalaHQ quotes Trump:
posted by kirkaracha at 11:04 AM on September 11 [32 favorites]
So many things I said were debunked. Totally debunked. Every time I spoke they’d correct me.They also posted "Our newest ad just dropped." It's the video of the whole debate.
posted by kirkaracha at 11:04 AM on September 11 [32 favorites]
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
posted by kirkaracha at 11:05 AM on September 11 [4 favorites]
posted by kirkaracha at 11:05 AM on September 11 [4 favorites]
It’s baffling to me that people think “more time” helped THIS GUY.
Clearly it didn't help, but it's more exposure for his lies and it's less time for Harris to make a case for her administration.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 11:31 AM on September 11 [1 favorite]
Clearly it didn't help, but it's more exposure for his lies and it's less time for Harris to make a case for her administration.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 11:31 AM on September 11 [1 favorite]
Dara Starr Tucker points out that in her opinion Kamala didn't 'throw Trump off his game' by 'baiting him', he just did what he always does. She didn't perform a Aikido manoeuvre and get him to throw himself on the floor using his own energy, he just did what he has been doing for years.
Suggesting that she was clever, or devious, in getting him to expose himself as a firehose of incoherent nastiness is suggesting he was ever going to do anything else. That's what he does.
posted by asok at 2:56 PM on September 11 [4 favorites]
Suggesting that she was clever, or devious, in getting him to expose himself as a firehose of incoherent nastiness is suggesting he was ever going to do anything else. That's what he does.
posted by asok at 2:56 PM on September 11 [4 favorites]
"...suggesting he was ever going to do anything else. That's what he does."
And as been said here before, there are a *huge* number* of people who don't go to rallies, don't watch political news, and automatically turn away from all of it.
This got *those* and many others not so hard core to look at him doing this. *I* believe that's a large number of people.
(*And yes, those people [at least a lot] watched this [instead of continuing to ignore] because it was such a big deal)
posted by aleph at 3:25 PM on September 11 [2 favorites]
And as been said here before, there are a *huge* number* of people who don't go to rallies, don't watch political news, and automatically turn away from all of it.
This got *those* and many others not so hard core to look at him doing this. *I* believe that's a large number of people.
(*And yes, those people [at least a lot] watched this [instead of continuing to ignore] because it was such a big deal)
posted by aleph at 3:25 PM on September 11 [2 favorites]
She did throw him off his game. Her dig about crowd sizes was part of her response to a question about immigration and the border, and he went completely off the rails about crowd sizes instead of hitting her on an issue where she's vulnerable. She did that time and again.
posted by kirkaracha at 4:05 PM on September 11 [24 favorites]
posted by kirkaracha at 4:05 PM on September 11 [24 favorites]
Republicans dismayed by Trump’s ‘bad’ and ‘unprepared’ debate performance:
Well, maaaaaaybe you shouldn't have let Tulsi Gabbard and Matt Gaetz run his debate prep and put Laura Loomer on the plane with him on the way to Philadelphia.
posted by soundguy99 at 4:23 PM on September 11 [9 favorites]
Well, maaaaaaybe you shouldn't have let Tulsi Gabbard and Matt Gaetz run his debate prep and put Laura Loomer on the plane with him on the way to Philadelphia.
posted by soundguy99 at 4:23 PM on September 11 [9 favorites]
She did throw him off his game. Her dig about crowd sizes was part of her response to a question about immigration and the border, and he went completely off the rails about crowd sizes instead of hitting her on an issue where she's vulnerable. She did that time and again.
Yes, I thought she was masterful at speaking on her vision, policy, & values and then getting in a brief but effective dig so that he immediately began defensive spluttering.
posted by Emmy Rae at 6:55 PM on September 11 [7 favorites]
Yes, I thought she was masterful at speaking on her vision, policy, & values and then getting in a brief but effective dig so that he immediately began defensive spluttering.
posted by Emmy Rae at 6:55 PM on September 11 [7 favorites]
Will we have a vice-presidential debate thread?
posted by SillyShepherd at 12:28 PM on October 1
posted by SillyShepherd at 12:28 PM on October 1
Tbh I wasn't a huge fan of de facto splitting the discussion across two different subsites (despite the attempts to point people here), plus treating events like these as another kind of entertainment feels sort of wrong.
If people prefer doing that again I'll shut up, but if not, I'll try writing something up when I get off work in a couple hours.
posted by Rhaomi at 2:42 PM on October 1 [2 favorites]
If people prefer doing that again I'll shut up, but if not, I'll try writing something up when I get off work in a couple hours.
posted by Rhaomi at 2:42 PM on October 1 [2 favorites]
Scratch that -- I posted the monthly LinkMe thread this morning, so won't be able to make a new one until ~20 minutes into the debate!
ETA: Aaand it looks like phunniemee took care of it already
posted by Rhaomi at 4:40 PM on October 1
ETA: Aaand it looks like phunniemee took care of it already
posted by Rhaomi at 4:40 PM on October 1
FWIW I agree with Rhaomi. I'd rather see events like major political debates covered on the main site, not FanFare. For one thing, updates to FanFare threads don't show up on Recent Comments tab of the main site. It's a moot point for this debate, and not a tragedy, but for future ref I'd vote for major political news like this to stay on the main site.
posted by Reverend John at 5:23 PM on October 1 [1 favorite]
posted by Reverend John at 5:23 PM on October 1 [1 favorite]
+1 for "debate posts on the blue, please." That's where politics belongs.
Additionally, one of the things I like about FanFare is that posts there remain open in perpetuity; you can enjoy something years later, come find its FanFare thread, add your comment. The debates are by their very nature of-the-moment and ephemeral; they really don't need perpetual posts.
(This argument is slightly muddied by the presence of other Special Event posts on FanFare but still.)
posted by We had a deal, Kyle at 9:27 AM on October 2 [2 favorites]
Additionally, one of the things I like about FanFare is that posts there remain open in perpetuity; you can enjoy something years later, come find its FanFare thread, add your comment. The debates are by their very nature of-the-moment and ephemeral; they really don't need perpetual posts.
(This argument is slightly muddied by the presence of other Special Event posts on FanFare but still.)
posted by We had a deal, Kyle at 9:27 AM on October 2 [2 favorites]
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